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| Quote ="SaintsFan"You've fulfilled Saddened's prediction already!
Don't put the blame anywhere else but where it belongs: at the feet of the two terrorists. This has nothing to do with government policy, nothing whatsoever. It has to do with two individuals who have chosen to hate and take out their hate on an innocent man (who has now been confirmed as a member of the armed forces).'"
Not only that but if people have such grievances concern their lands (which no doubt they have never visited) what are they doing still living here? The UK does not stop people emigrating. If these people have convictions then they should live by them and bugger off. If they then wish to fight us so be it. But to live here and hate us then they are just hypocritcal, murderous scum.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"You've fulfilled Saddened's prediction already!
Don't put the blame anywhere else but where it belongs: =#FF0000at the feet of the two terrorists. This has nothing to do with government policy, nothing whatsoever. It has to do with two individuals who have chosen to hate and take out their hate on an innocent man (who has now been confirmed as a member of the armed forces).'"
But why have they become terrorists and what do you think needs to be done to stop more people becoming terrorists ?
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| Quote ="cod'ead"And the EDL response?
[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/23/woolwich-attack-anti-muslim-reprisalsEDL battle police in Woolwich[/url
I wonder if the idiot in Braintree will be charged with terrorist offences, after entering a mosque with a knife and petrol bomb?'"
I don't recall Catholic churches being attacked when the IRA were setting bombs off in London/Warrington etc. Maybe this lot have got the wrong end of the stick
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| Quote ="Chris28"I don't recall Catholic churches being attacked when the IRA were setting bombs off in London/Warrington etc. Maybe this lot have got the wrong end of the stick'"
Maybe because the Catholic church in Britain existed long before the IRA?
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| Quote ="Dally"Maybe because the Catholic church in Britain existed long before the IRA?'"
Are you saying that Islam didnt exist in the UK before Al Qaeda?
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| Quote ="Dally"Maybe because the Catholic church in Britain existed long before the IRA?'"
Ah, I see, Islam is new, is it?
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| Quote ="El Barbudo"Ah, I see, Islam is new, is it?'"
It is to any extent within the UK.
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| Quote ="El Barbudo"Ah, I see, Islam is new, is it?'"
It is, comparatively speaking.
Especially in the UK.
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| Quote ="Dally"It is to any extent within the UK.'"
Its Wikipedia, but the first sentence [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_United_Kingdomhere[/url would suggest otherwise.
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| Quote ="WormInHand"Fully agree. The behaviour of the bystanders isn't normal. Who in their right mind would stand calmly and film a murderer who they've just witnessed hack and behead someone with machetes with the blood still dripping from his hands? You'd be scared less and terrifed of him, trembling and cowering, not standing calmly capturing the moment within arm's length of the psychopath surely? Those women protecting the victim from further attack while the police wait round the corner for twenty minutes, saying there's nothing they can do until armed back-up arrive? Wtf?
People mingling around the body that's just been separated from his head?? That they've just witnessed in the most horrific way first hand? Far from hanging around to socialise with the maniacs still present wouldn't any sane person have actually just run like hell?
Very, very strange.'"
Given that murderous attacks in open daylight are not (presently) the norm on the UK high-street, please, enlighten us as to what the 'normal' response to a situation like this is?
Would you prefer it if there was mass panic with people running around screaming?
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| Quote ="El Barbudo"Ah, I see, Islam is new, is it?'"
Islam is newer than Christianity and much newer than Judaism.
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| Quote ="Dally"It is to any extent within the UK.'"
You need to read a bit of history.
You also need to recognise that mainstream Islam in the UK has condemned this dreadful attack.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"And the EDL response?
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I wonder if the idiot in Braintree will be charged with terrorist offences, after entering a mosque with a knife and petrol bomb?'"
You forgot a very important word in your post, alleged.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Islam is newer than Christianity and much newer than Judaism.'"
Not the point.
The IRA is much younger than Catholicism, Al Quaeda is much younger than Islam.
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| Quote ="El Barbudo"Not the point.
The IRA is much younger than Catholicism, Al Quaeda is much younger than Islam.'"
The IRA and Al Quaeda are not religions, they are terrorist groups.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"The IRA and Al Quaeda are not religions, they are terrorist groups.'"
The point is that the actions of the IRA didn't cause people to attack Catholic churches, so why should the actions of Al Qaeda cause people to attack mosques?
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"I think you need to take your patronising tone and stick it up your backside, actually ...'"
Irony alert.
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| Quote ="Chris28"I don't recall Catholic churches being attacked when the IRA were setting bombs off in London/Warrington etc. Maybe this lot have got the wrong end of the stick'"
Thinking? That would involve having more than two braincells
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"The IRA and Al Quaeda are not religions, they are terrorist groups.'"
Quite so.
And that is the feckin point.
If you didn't blame Catholicism for the dreadful acts of the IRA, why blame Islam in general for the acts of Al Quaeda or other extremists?
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| Quote ="El Barbudo"Quite so.
And that is the feckin point.
If you didn't blame Catholicism for the dreadful acts of the IRA, why blame Islam in general for the acts of Al Quaeda or other extremists?'"
Where am I blaming Islam for the actions of extremists? I'm doing quite the opposite. I'm not even blaming government policy (as someone else was). I'm blaming the terrorists. Only the terrorists are to blame for acts of terrorism, regardless of the cause they identify with.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"The IRA and Al Quaeda are not religions, they are terrorist groups.'"
Good. So no justification for bricking a mosque then.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"The point is that the actions of the IRA didn't cause people to attack Catholic churches, so why should the actions of Al Qaeda cause people to attack mosques?'"
I doubt very much that Catholic churches went completely unscathed in Northern Ireland throughout the troubles. They may have done but I would be very surprised. However, I would have to read up a detailed history of events to find out whether they were attacked as I didn't live in Northern Ireland.
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| Quote ="Chris28"Good. So no justification for bricking a mosque then.'"
I didn't say there was.
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