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| Quote ="cod'ead"As predicted: [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18278253Osborne drops plans for charity donation cap[/url
Trying to divert attention away from Hunt at Leveson perhaps?'"
I don't think Osborne getting his testicles out in front of pap cameras will save Hunt.
As some others have said Hunt is so full of holes that the bullets are passing right through him.
The lastest one is a text from Michal to Hunt saying when it all over we must go for coffee like in the old days.
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| Quote ="rover49"If you like eating your pasty hot and in your static home, you will still get shafted
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What if I eat a cold pasty in a hot static caravan? Is that deductible against my charitable giving or not?
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| Quote ="John_D"What if I eat a cold pasty in a hot static caravan? Is that deductible against my charitable giving or not?'"
I wish someone would ask that on Question Time. Or even PMQ's.
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| Quote ="DaveO"I wish someone would ask that on Question Time. Or even PMQ's.'"
just a question - does anyone know if the Monster Raving Loony Party still exists ?
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| Quote ="sanjunien"just a question - does anyone know if the Monster Raving Loony Party still exists ?'"
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| Quote ="sanjunien"just a question - does anyone know if the Monster Raving Loony Party still exists ?'"
They were robbed of election victory. Lord Sutch urged all his supporters not to vote for him and then claimed a landslide victory when they didn't
I'd have given them a shot at it, they could hardly do worse than this lot.
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| Quote ="rover49"They were robbed of election victory. Lord Sutch urged all his supporters not to vote for him and then claimed a landslide victory when they didn't
[uI'd have given them a shot at it, they could hardly do worse than this lot.[/u'"
it's difficult to tell the difference TBH !
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| Not in the budget but the [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/nature/buzzard-capture-scheme-dropped-7804316.htmlplanned removal of buzzards and destruction of their nests[/url has been dropped by DEFRA.
Not bad going, announced on Tuesday, dropped on Wednesday
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| Quote ="DaveO"I am of a similar vintage and also remember living through the 3 day week with regular power cuts under Ted Heath's Conservatives government. Tory governments never been immune from incompetence.
Having lived through several Tory terms of office I would say when they are finally booted out it is down to some monumental screw ups with people saying "never again" only to forget just how bad they were after a few years. Well Cameron and Co are doing a damn fine job of reminding everyone just why the Tories were booted out with a Labour landslide in 1997.'"
But "the electorate" is not in a steady state, it's dynamic. People die, new people grow up and become voters. e.g. many of those who could remember the sleeze of the Major/Thatcher years had probably died by the 2010 election and many new voters registered. It's a bit like Rugby League crowds. A club's crowd is not the same people all the time - people stop coming for whatever reason and replacements are required for them.
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| [url=http://news.blogspot.com/2012/05/u-turn-tax-proposed-by-treasury.htmlU-turn tax proposed by Treasury[/url
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[url=http://news.blogspot.com/2012/06/u-turns-help-government-in-greenest.htmlU-turns help government in 'greenest ever' pledge[/url
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| Quote ="rover49"They were robbed of election victory. Lord Sutch urged all his supporters not to vote for him and then claimed a landslide victory when they didn't
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From beyond the grave. Howling Laud Hope is the current leader
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Not in the budget but the [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/nature/buzzard-capture-scheme-dropped-7804316.htmlplanned removal of buzzards and destruction of their nests[/url has been dropped by DEFRA.
Not bad going, announced on Tuesday, dropped on Wednesday'"
That was good news. He upset alot of people who mobilised very quickly.
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| Quote ="major hound"But "the electorate" is not in a steady state, it's dynamic. People die, new people grow up and become voters. e.g. many of those who could remember the sleeze of the Major/Thatcher years had probably died by the 2010 election and many new voters registered. It's a bit like Rugby League crowds. A club's crowd is not the same people all the time - people stop coming for whatever reason and replacements are required for them.'"
I think the "turnover" is far lower than you imagine. Someone who voted against the Tories in 1997 can be as young as 33 now. Given increasing longevity and an ageing population I reckon the percentage of the voting public around now who were also around then will be very high.
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| Quote ="DaveO"I think the "turnover" is far lower than you imagine. Someone who voted against the Tories in 1997 can be as young as 33 now. Given increasing longevity and an ageing population I reckon the percentage of the voting public around now who were also around then will be very high.'"
The problem isn't so much old voters dropping off their perches as the short memory that the average voter seems to have.
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| Quote ="DaveO"I think the "turnover" is far lower than you imagine. Someone who voted against the Tories in 1997 can be as young as 33 now. Given increasing longevity and an ageing population I reckon the percentage of the voting public around now who were also around then will be very high.'"
Anyone who voted Tory in 1997 and is 33 now deserves the mother and father of all slappings.
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| Quote ="Kosh"The problem isn't so much old voters dropping off their perches as the short memory that the average voter seems to have.'"
I know. That was the original point I was making.
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| Quote ="Dally"That was good news. He upset alot of people who mobilised very quickly.'"
It must've still taken an incredible amount of either supidity, arrogance or both to even float the proposal, based purely on what some gamekeepers "thought" might be happening.
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| Quote ="Kosh"The problem isn't so much old voters dropping off their perches as the short memory that the average voter seems to have.'"
There are also those voters who feel they have become disnefranchised or simply apathetic to the whole process.
Owen Jones wrote an interesting article in this week's Indy [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/owen-jones-its-time-to-demolish-the-myth-about-tony-blair-7808282.htmldebunking the Blair myth[/url. He proposes that had John Smith not popped his clogs, Labour would still had a landslide victory in 1997, simply because we'd all had enough of the tories. He also proposes that Labour's collapse has little to do with a change in the middle class vote and more to do withignoring grass roots. One thing's for sure, we'd be in a better position now if John Smith had been in power, rather than Blair
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| Quote ="cod'ead"There are also those voters who feel they have become disnefranchised or simply apathetic to the whole process.
Owen Jones wrote an interesting article in this week's Indy [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/owen-jones-its-time-to-demolish-the-myth-about-tony-blair-7808282.htmldebunking the Blair myth[/url. He proposes that had John Smith not popped his clogs, Labour would still had a landslide victory in 1997, simply because we'd all had enough of the tories. He also proposes that Labour's collapse has little to do with a change in the middle class vote and more to do withignoring grass roots. One thing's for sure, we'd be in a better position now if John Smith had been in power, rather than Blair'"
probably the best PM the uk never had - along with the man from Skipton, Ian Macleod for the Tories
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| Quote ="Chris28"From beyond the grave. Howling Laud Hope is the current leader'"
I was talking in the past, when he was still kicking
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| Quote ="rover49"I was talking in the past, when he was still kicking'" The thought of him always reminds of a certain lager advert 'It refreshes the elections others cannot reach' the door to number 10 opens and there he is with a pint in hand and a big smile on his face.
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| Gideon's new SatNav - "George-George" only has two instructions:
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| Quote ="cod'ead"There are also those voters who feel they have become disnefranchised or simply apathetic to the whole process.
Owen Jones wrote an interesting article in this week's Indy [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/owen-jones-its-time-to-demolish-the-myth-about-tony-blair-7808282.htmldebunking the Blair myth[/url. He proposes that had John Smith not popped his clogs, Labour would still had a landslide victory in 1997, simply because we'd all had enough of the tories. He also proposes that Labour's collapse has little to do with a change in the middle class vote and more to do withignoring grass roots. One thing's for sure, we'd be in a better position now if John Smith had been in power, rather than Blair'"
You're probably right about John Smith, but, would he have won again in 2001 and again in 2005? For Labour to win three elections on the trot, the first two with landslides and the third with an adequate majority was unprecedented. You could argue that between 1997, and 2001 Blair was so concerned with being re-elected that he did very little. But between 2001 and 2005 he (and Brown) did a helluva a lot to improve the lot of ordinary people in this country. The problem was that he also took us into the the Iraq shambles. I don't approve of the Afghan adventure, because history shows there are never any winners, but can understand why they supported the US there. The Iraq business made no sense at all.
But I'd certainly agree that John Smith would have been an outstanding PM, possibly the true successor to my hero Attlee.
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| Quote ="major hound"
But I'd certainly agree that John Smith would have been an outstanding PM, possibly the true successor to my hero Attlee.'"
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| Quote ="sanjunien"can't imagine anybody being in the same league as Attlee - a most remarkable human being...'"
It's said that when the notoriously taciturn Attlee visited King George VI, who everyone now knows had a speech impediment, after the 1945 election, they stood in silence for 10 minutes until Attlee said "I've won the election" to which the king replied "I know I heard it on the 6 o' clock news"
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