Yep, they should be.

Corbyn certainly doesn't have obvious charisma or smarminess or insincerity like Blair or Cameron. May completely lacks personality & ideology but it's not that that has ended her.

Out of interest, what particular Labour policies are too left wing for you? Investing in education, social services, health, policing, environment, workers' rights?

AKA spend money and don't look at efficiencies.

Labour would be the final nail in our proid countries coffin.

Do your carers allow you sharp objects?

insults as usual, or attempted one's.

Im proid off my insult's.

I'm more than happy with those ideals but, the idea of re nationalising the utilities and rail etc, when there is already so much pressure on funding etc, is just way, way too much and despite their "robin hood" taxation ideas, they have massively got their sums wrong.

The proposed increase in corporation tax, rather than generate substantial extra revenue, will force companies to change some of their working practices .

It's a really tough balance to encourage companies to be wealth generators and willing contributors to the exchequer and Corbyn ideals will, I believe, have a damaging effect on business, plus, any accountant worth their salt will find effective ways around paying higher taxation and it's naïve to believe otherwise.

What's your evidence for this? Other more successful countries manage it. We've managed it in the past. Companies have far more damaging things to worry about currently than a few pence more on tax. It isn't just companies, the basic rate of tax for middle & upper income levels is too low. I count myself in that bracket. Ask most people if they would pay more for better health, education, social services, police & they say yes.

You say that we've managed it in the past but, not without leaving a huge fiscal hole.

If you lift the rate of tax for the most wealthy, which is Labours plan, they will simply find more "efficient" ways to avoid paying.
We come back to being honest with the electorate and having a long list of spending plans, which may all be worthy "causes" and threatening to lift tax for "the most wealthy" and for "big business" all sounds great for those who are less well off.
However, with such radical spending plans, there would still be a huge gap in income vs expenditure.
Of course, there are different way of filling the gap but, thus far, we have only heard of the increase in tax for "the rich" and an increase in corporation tax, plus a purge on large companies who are avoiding paying their share.
It all sounds so simple and so painless to the masses doesn't it ?
However, as I said previously, those who are most well off will find better ways to "hide" their income and business will also change how they deal with their profits to minimise the effects of any changes.
My own business is quite small. however, our accountant is paid to help with personal and corporation tax and whilst I would never dream of avoiding paying tax, I am more than happy to adapt the business to cope with any changes to the taxation system and the larger companies are way better at this than small companies like mine and their financial managers are better than those employed by HMRC and therefore will always be two steps ahead and some of course, are even less honest.

I refuse to believe we are in harmony, where a taxation level has hit the sweet spot so companies & individuals don't avoid paying. We all know that is crap. There are a number of ways where we can start, needing transparency, international cooperation, residency status, enforcement, unifying systems. When the Tory party gets half of its income from the tax avoiding financial sector they aren't going to be too keen on action. If you are happy with the status quo, with the social systems in the country (those that we used to be so proud of, those that made the UK 'different', 'better') keep supporting it. I refuse to believe there isn't a better alternative.

Vodka and loneliness will be yours.

Doubt you even pay taxes.

I think that the current rulers of our nation are putting nails in as quick as any government over the past 50 years.
They (the Tories) used to boast about being the party of law and order, just another falsehood and something that in the current climate they should be ashamed of.
Cuts to youth services and rising knife crime is something that NOBODY should be proud of.
Unfortunately, they would rather fill the coffers, ready for some pre election tax cuts, instead of keeping us and our children safe

You mean an alternative where people pay more whilst you sit on your backside?

Socialism doesn't work, it has long been proven.

Stop for a second and imagine being MGarbutt1986; depressing stuff - but an instant mood lift when you realise that you're actually not.

What are you talking about:

Denmark
Finland
Netherlands
Canada
New Zealand
Norway

Clearly, none of them are working.



It almost looks like a list of places where you may want to live, with all of them way more appealing than the UK, USA, Israel, Turkey, Columbia,

You believe that all things socialist are wrong and appear to have been brainwashed.

Personally, I couldn't give a toss what the politics are, other than having something resembling a "fair" society

You're wasting your time - I've posted that list, with other countries included, about a dozen times on here in response to this type of stupid argument, and it just gets ignored.

The only socialist country he knows, or wants to know, is obviously Venezuela.

Which he thinks is in Africa.

I find that if you hit something hard enough and often enough with a large hammer, eventually it goes in.
We live in hope.



Politics in the UK is in bloody meltdown though.
Farage is still pretending that no deal will be great but, i really enjoyed watching him squirm on QT last night, when he was asked (multiple times) how many countries, currently on WTO terms, actually have trade deals with other nations.
Unfortunately,, he couldn't answer (its zero btw) and eventually came back with the "everyone will want a deal with the 5th biggest ecconomy in the world".
What a tool he is.

I simply do not want to live in a socialist country where terrorists are welcomed by CringeByn.

You're ok with them being welcomed by May, Cameron, Blair, Thatcher?

Never were, but keep your pointless socialist drum banging, it is funny. Socialism has NEVER achieved anything other than debt.

Old people make me laugh, sympathy is all I can offer.

What are your thoughts on The Good Friday Agreement ?
Is Ireland a better/safer place after doing a deal with The IRA or should it have been left as it was, with Unionists and Republicans killing each other on a very regular basis.
Eventually, there has to be some dialogue between opposing sides, including those who may have been involved in terrorist activities.
Most of the time you dont hear what may be going on but, to believe that there isn't contact is just naïve.

Sometimes though, it's easier and more palatable to pretend that it isn't happening.

Ireland is a UK issue, the talsk were transparent, a bit different to anti semitist involvement in overseas politics.

What are your views on;
Universal suffrage
Free education
Free health care
Minimum wage
Weekends off
Sick pay
Holidays with pay
State pension
Social services
Council housing
???

They are all instruments of a state that has been badly managed, all are extremely overly expensive now. Why should people get a state pension, or holidays with pay, or sick pay, you can buy private policies for all of these things. You want a weekend off, crack on, but don't expect yor employer to recompense you for it. Social Services are full of rubbish civil servants. Minimum wage is garbage, if you want the job at the wage advertised then take it, otherwise, tough. LIFE IS NOT EQUAL.
THIS country needs to grow a pair and stop being so liberal.