I doubt it. I doubt someone having a heart attack or being run over is in the same league as two machete wielding lunatics somehow! The person having a heart attack or being run over would create shock in anyone remotely human but not terror.


Somebody died in an horrific fashion in broad daylight, next to a barracks in our capital city and you say that is lame?!


You clearly have forgotten that Islamists do not care if they die. In fact, they think they are going to 72 virgins in heaven if they commit these acts in the name of Allah. I would suggest that those who have no care for whether they live are very dangerous indeed. Do you know that they only intended one victim to die? We saw only a couple of years ago what one man and a gun could do in Cumbria. Two men with machetes and guns could do a whole lot worse.

Yes. The other was taken to hospital by road ambulance. Both were shot by the police.

Incidentally, COBRA has met so the government are treating this as a potential terrorist attack and security around barracks in London is to be increased. The Muslim Council of Britain have made a statement to say that the attack has no place in Islam.

Here is a statement from one of the terrorists:

[i"We must fight them as they fight us. An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth."

"I apologise that women have had to witness this today, but in our land our women have to see the same. You people will never be safe. Remove your government, they don't care about you."[/i

According to witnesses, the terrorists ran the man down in a car first.

Define "Islamists" - does that mean anyone who follows Islam or do you really mean Islamic Extremist Terrorists and do you understand that there is a difference ?

A big difference actually.

Let me get this straight.

These 'terrorists' were right next to an army barracks, in a car, and the best they can come up with is a sharp blade?

Pretty carp terrorists if you ask me. I'd have thought filling the car with unleaded and driving it at the gates would have made a bigger impact.

There's been a suggestion made by a mate in the area that it's more likely to be drugs related BTW.

Other than that, it is a truly disgusting crime, but until a few more facts emerge, I'm happy to sit here laughng at the 'I'm not racist but...' brigade.

I think you need to take your patronising tone and stick it up your backside, actually. But aside from that I used Islamist precisely because I was differentiating.

They ran the man down in their car then slashed him to death with cleavers while also brandishing a gun (according to eye witnesses, of which there were many), one of them shouting out a political message, apparently also praising Allah, and this attack took place near to the Woolwich barracks and was upon a young man wearing a Help the Heroes t-shirt.

Clearly they were not rubbish. COBRA has met, security around barracks is being tightened, lots of witnesses were terrified and it's all in the news. Job done so far as I can see. The only difference between this and a bomb is in the numbers dead.

here is the video. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws_HF9qSrYI I have to say the whole thing seems very odd to me. The woman sitting near to the body, the casualness of the attackers, them hanging around for twenty minutes for the police to arrive. hard to get yoyr head around this one,

here is the video. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws_HF9qSrYI I have to say the whole thing seems very odd to me. The woman sitting near to the body, the casualness of the attackers, them hanging around for twenty minutes for the police to arrive. hard to get yoyr head around this one,

So just to be clear, it is Islamist TERRORISTS then ?

The term 'Islamist' was coined to describe the terrorist element who use Islam as their reason for their murdering ways. The religion of Islam is followed by Muslims (or Moslims, depending upon your linguistic inclination).

[iIslamist [ˈɪzləmɪst
adj
(Non-Christian Religions / Islam) supporting or advocating Islamic fundamentalism[/i

...which is why the word TERRORIST is so important, you can label yourself "Islamist" without wanting to commit acts of terrorism, semantics are so important in context and for the sake of public order.

Someone needs to deal with these issues. The establishment won't. The liberati won't.

I wonder what land he was referring to, as his accent was pure London?

Quote ="Durham Giant"here is the video. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws_HF9qSrYI I have to say the whole thing seems very odd to me. The woman sitting near to the body, the casualness of the attackers, them hanging around for twenty minutes for the police to arrive. hard to get yoyr head around this one,'" They'd have been off their heads on drugs, I'd guess. Was it terrorism or is that just a spin to prevent panic?

Quote ="Durham Giant"here is the video. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws_HF9qSrYI I have to say the whole thing seems very odd to me. The woman sitting near to the body, the casualness of the attackers, them hanging around for twenty minutes for the police to arrive. hard to get yoyr head around this one,'" They'd have been off their heads on drugs, I'd guess. Was it terrorism or is that just a spin to prevent panic?

As i said years ago - the war on "terror" is a real war. It is a war that needs to be waged Islamic expansion. Failure to deal with this will cause the demise of our way of life. It will only be dealt with by a full scale war that geographically pushes back the Islamic sphere of influence. The big problem is that Europe and the US have allowed too much immigration and so there is an element of the "enemy within." We'll have generations of strike methinks.

I'm amazed at how surprised and shocked people are on here. This has been predicted since the 70's. get used to it, its going to get worse.

I wonder if the poster would be quite so patronising if a couple of our own home reared Leeds islamists drove the short distance from Beeston to Horsforth, and attacked his local pub whilst he enjoyed a sunday lunch with his family.

Lots of people born here identify with different aspects of their heritage. The man was described as 'black'.

Now I've read some absolute knackers in the past on here, but this has got to be right up there with the best/worst of it....

Ah the EDL have got involved. Covering their faces to attack Police Officers.

Yep. The group sworn to defend English values are attacking an English town, and (assumed) English Police.

Well done. Proving your point spectacularly.

This incident has enraged me.

As far as i'm concerned he forfeited his human rights when he murdered one of our soldiers.

If I had my way he'd be strung up and dipped into a fire, up and down, to slowly burn alive jessie washington style.

Anyone else worried that this may be a tipping point to larger troubles?

Granted. But what about the PC brigade that have caused this? Where is the criticism for those - and there are many on here - who shout "racist" when people question immigration policy and more particularly those who constantly criticise our country and its foreign policy and invoke victimhood status on so many others around the world? These are the people whose narrative over a period of many years has directly caused this.

PS Remember the wise words of Enoch Powell. Remember too the Balkans. Then if you're one of those who I refer to above reflect tonight on the likely future for this country as a result of your ill thought through "ideology."

Yes.

I can see BNP / EDL types torching a couple of mosques and going looking for Asian gangs. Who are no better and will probably rise to the bait.

Either way, coppers are set for some decent overtime.

This incedent has had me thinking 'Was Enoch right'? Thing is, brutal murders would still happen without immigration.