ah, more deflection,roll on Dec 13th

He knows that he can watch what he want's when his mum goes out

Labour, boring itself into oblivion. It' OK though, Cringebin is taking his £130K salary whilt you burn pianos in Keighley.

Im waiting for you or PrincePuss to post a still from Kes.

Can you ask your mum to translate this into English.
No rush, it can wait until she's made your dippy egg and soldiers

pathetic, but not unexpected.

I could use any manner of emoticons, but I can actually use words. You might want to try them, you may even come across as eloquent, instead of bereft of salient thought.

I see that you managed to get some help with your post, well done

I do not need help, in a hustings I would destroy you. But keep up the internet keyboard war, it makes me laugh (if somewhat overshadowed by a bit of pity for you)

So far, on any political thread, the best you have managed is some kind of weird take on Corbyn's surname so, well done, again.
It would be great if you actually did manage to contribute something, anything to the topic.

At this moment in the election build up, both the Tories and Labour are flooding us with promises of cash injections/freebies/nationalisation of businesses/tax breaks/more housing etc.

Stuff the current government should be doing already instead of offering it as an incentive for your vote.

The opposition are relying on big businesses to pay for their promises.

You're right and if there was so much brass in the "golden spending pot", a sensible government, may have taken their foot off the Austerity brakes a little sooner.
People really need to realise that The Tories are the party that have literally squeezed the life out of some of those right at the bottom of the economic pile but, they just want everyone to forget some of their racist (Windrush) unfair (Universal credit) and crime fuelled (too long a list to mention) policies that we've had imposed on us by the self proclaimed "nasty party" and their response now is to promise to spend, spend, spend but, even if they are to be believed (and their credibility is less than zero), do they really deserve another term.
Never mind Brexit, that will create a further economic tightening, let's have a change of ruling party and give us all a break.

The Benn act was specifically passed to stop him pushing through with an illegal act.

He has no Majority now and the #1 tactic the tories seem to be using now to try and change that is blatant lies.....


Feel free to correct me, but didn't the tories/Lib Dems form a government in 2010? If so, this makes great reading
[urlhttps://fullfact.org/crime/police-numbers/[/url

To be clear, replacing coppers with ones your party removed inside a decade is hardly to be applauded.


His last promise about the NHS was something about £350,000,000.......given that was a lie, I'd never believe anything he ever had to say on the NHS ever again.

Yep, but it was his "ruse' to get all his patriotic mail readers to back him by using 'er majesty the queen.....the Queens Speech is redundant BTW.....as redundant his attempting to come across all 'OLIVER CROMWELL' and strong arm parliament


His only course of action was to repeatedly call for an election so he could push through brexit in the interim.....clumsy is an understatement


Labour wanted an election once a hard/sneaky/backdoor brexit was taken off the table. Boris tried to negotiate otherwise and lost....badly and very publicly.

Hey...I's fun fun fun watching how your round-a-bout of politics is viewed by countries around the world......even the Yanks, who have their own idiot to deal with are in awe of the stupidity of what is going on in Blighty

BTW.....still awaiting for any of the right wing faithful to explain why the PM won't release the Russian Interference Findings until AFTER the election?

More Labour LIES.


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Paul Johnson, the director of the (independent) Institute for Fiscal Studies, says Labour’s claim 95% of taxpayers would not need to pay more under its spending plans is simply not credible. Some strong words in his statement.

Haven't seen the full statement but, I dont accept Labour's maths on this anyway.
There isn't a UK tax paying company that wont look for ways to mitigate ANY increased tax burden, which will inevitably lead to a shortfall in receipts.
At this stage it's irrelevant as we wont be seeing a Labour government for some little while.

I'll try and find time to read the full report though and we await with interest what the Tories have to offer.

Interesting that he is one of many "independent" economists who say neither of the main parties plans for Tax are sustainable. A great number of these independent economists to however agree that Brexit is a fiscal disaster waiting to happen.


Oooh...look at the Keyboard Warrior



IR80. What are your thoughts on the reasoning behind the PM for not releasing the findings of the independent investigation into Russian interference in Brexit as well as ties to the Leave leaders, many of whom are now in senior political roles in the Tory Party. Remember now, you're the one who claimed you'd be able to destroy people on the hustings, so let's debate this one topic and see if you can earn your spurs.

To prove a point yesterday we were informed that poverty was not the fault of the government, that the initial increase in NI stated by Johnson would save the majority of workers £500 which was disputed by the conservatives and when pointed out to the PM he still insisted that the £500 was correct. We have another doctored clip and a fake site set up by the conservatives indicating it was a Labour site relating to their manifesto. They even paid Google to make sure it was the site that came up for anyone searching Labour or manifesto.
I also note that the great debater Johnson has pulled out of a second televised debated against Corbyn on 4. I guess he fears more bouts of laughter from the audience.

Or maybe Johnson just feels that Labours manifesto launch no longer requires him to justify his policies?

He even refused to debate local MP Ali Milani, who is contesting his Uxbridge seat. I guess his repetition of "get Brexit done" didn't hit home in the way they hoped, so they've changed tack and chickened out of live debates.

On the manifesto - I quite like all the big adjectives that are being used; yes it is extraordinary, vast, colossal and all that jazz - because it's transformative, and you don't transform anything by being timid and tinkering at the edges.

Genuine question here Bren.
What response to you expect from the big businesses (employing over 250 staff) that will see their corporation tax bill increase and having to "chip in" 1% pa (rising to 10%) into a new pot to "share among the workforce" ?
The one absolute certainty is that they wont shrug their shoulders and say "oh, alright then".
Just as they do now, they will look for ways to mitigate the additional "cost" - whether this is "right" of "fair" wont come into it.
Similarly, anyone with heaps of personal wealth will "hide" their cash somewhere else to keep it away from the Chancellor and people dont tend to have that much wealth without employing very effective "accountants".

I find it amazing how I hear how it would be worse under Labour, all I say is how do they know because after 9 years of the conservatives the country is not exactly thriving and at peace with itself. We are here because Cameron was so desperate to fight off UKIP and stay in power he promised a referendum which I believe was not mandatory.
I see human beings who are actually in work unable to rent a property or buy food for their families and have to live on the streets and go to the only booming industry food banks. Then there are schools asking parents for funds to buy equipment. In Wakefield the schools were run by an Academy who decided to remove themselves requiring the Council to take over.

Nobody can argue with any of that and Cameron certainly has plenty to answer for.
The worst part of all this is that, when we do finally leave, the millions of people who voted "leave" are expecting the sunlight to come flooding in and everything to be wonderful and it's at this point that reality will really hit home.
We will be left as Trump's lap dogs, begging for treats.
Corbyn and co just haven't realised that it's not their own voters who need to be on board with his plan, Labour need to entice a huge chunk of Libdem and Tory voters to join their revolution and I'm sorry but, it's just not going to happen and all those who followed Farage's "dream" are going to be very, very disappointed and will actually be shat on even more by a Tory Party with an overall majority.
Depressing doesn't even begin to cover how things are unfolding.

Ali Milani isn't an MP. What he is though, is antisemitic.

But I digress. Not debating is a sensible decision. There's every chance the 'tolerant' left in the room would spend their time heckling and booing, which obviously wouldn't look great.

Anyway the live leader 'debates' are utterly pointless. I've said it since the first (was it 2010?). They're just the same soundbites trotted out in Parliament and in campaign speeches. Nothing is proven and virtually nobody changes their mind. All they sometimes show is who can perform best on TV and who might get flustered.

I am one of those businesses - and like any prudent operator, we've looked at the potential impact of that eventuality; it will ultimately mean lower dividends for the shareholders, of which I am one, but will mean a significant increase in the engagement and productivity of a workforce who will have a much greater stake in the success of the business - and there are plenty of case studies to demonstrate that employee ownership has really positive impacts on a business, such as reduced staff t/o, lower rates of sickness absence and higher productivity. We've also looked at potential opportunities for new ventures, based on the infrastructure and green technology investment that Labour are promising.

This stuff is not easy - and it will require a shift in attitude amongst those people who have previously made hay as a result of unfettered capitalism and an obsession with growth in absolute terms; but for me, the country is in such a parlous state, with record numbers of homeless, people experiencing in-work poverty, children going to school hungry, schools begging for basic resources and the NHS falling apart before our eyes - that only a radical solution will have any impact.

And lets not forget, that for all the panic about Labour's spending plans, they really only take us to parity with many other very successful European economies.

For someone who gets so exercised about the playing of the racist card, you've pulled that one out with surprising alacrity!

I'm satisfied that his remarks as a 17 year old student were based on an over-enthusiastic and naïve interpretation of the BDS movement; he's apologised sincerely and unreservedly, and has demonstrated that he's learnt from that mistake.

Btw - criticism of Israel is not antisemitic; unless you're conflating Israel as representative of all Jews, which is in itself, by the EHRC definition, antisemitic?

This Paul Johnson [urlhttps://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/8305[/url ?

I think that they call that Ying and Yang