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| Announced his departure. Apparently TS has taken on some of his duties. I suppose he is off the wage bill. Be interesting to see what happens next. Would like to see the Garbutt rumour confirmed but would be surprised.
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| Well, I don’t think anybody can doubt his honesty. And it’s not like we’d been flying high before his arrival.
It didn’t work out, but that’s where you learn the big lessons in life. Also and tbf, he was still involved while it was put back together again. Good luck to him.
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| My opinion:
Waste of time
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Too anonymous
Too interested in bringing ex teammates than doing a proper job ala Motu Tony
Rovers benifited him, more than rovers (management networking)
Pretty disappointing tenure considering who and what he’d done in the game.
Bye Jamie.
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| Quote ="Hessle rover"My opinion:
Waste of time
Waste of money
Too anonymous
Too interested in bringing ex teammates than doing a proper job ala Motu Tony
Rovers benifited him, more than rovers (management networking)
Pretty disappointing tenure considering who and what he’d done in the game.
Bye Jamie.'"
Agreed!
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| Quote ="Hessle rover"My opinion:
Waste of time
Waste of money
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Too interested in bringing ex teammates than doing a proper job ala Motu Tony
Rovers benifited him, more than rovers (management networking)
Pretty disappointing tenure considering who and what he’d done in the game.
Bye Jamie.'"
I still do not no why he did and I liked him has a player
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| Jamie who?
I expect the next announcement will be an extension for Sheens, then moving into Director of football in 2020 and keeping an eye on Webbo as he takes the coaching role again.
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| The posts on this thread show why we are only supporters. From what i've been told, the professionalism and improvement in the backroom staff and functions are noticeably better than before he was here. He has helped lay some solid foundations for the club and i for one thank him for what he has done.
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| Quote ="Hessle rover"My opinion:
Waste of time =#FF0000Based on what Criteria, what were his objectives and did he deliver
Waste of money =#FF0000How much did he cost? again what were his deliverables
Too anonymous =#FF0000He raised the profile of the club when he arrived and even donned the shirt when backs to wall, I agree he could have done more on his twitter feed
Too interested in bringing ex teammates than doing a proper job ala Motu Tony =#FF0000I agree that Mulhern is rubbish
Rovers benifited him, more than rovers (management networking) =#FF0000did it? I'm struggling to see how we benfitted him other than wages, he had media work already
Pretty disappointing tenure considering who and what he’d done in the game.
Bye Jamie. =#FF0000He was a prop forward with no experience of management in the game, if he did fail, (which without knowing his objectives I struggle to see how he can be judged) then it our fault for employing someone who had no experience in the area he was going into '"
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| Quote ="LifeLongHKRFan"The posts on this thread show why we are only supporters. From what i've been told, the professionalism and improvement in the backroom staff and functions are noticeably better than before he was here. He has helped lay some solid foundations for the club and i for one thank him for what he has done.'"
I’ve heard it said that things were a bit semi-pro under Morgan, and that structures have improved since. However, results deteriorated too - reaching a nadir in 2016. It isn’t a completely fair comparison - the board had a different focus, and there were more opportunities to bring in players that could make a difference back then.
It’s difficult to know the extent to which Peacock was responsible for what happened leading up to relegation and certainly it was nowhere near all his fault. He inherited a situation that was already less than ideal, plenty of stuff that you’d assume was outside his remit went wrong, including a lot of plain bad luck. When things got desperate he pulled on the shirt, and when the worst happened he offered his resignation. None of the negativity reflects badly on him as person. However, recruitment (or relative lack thereof, in the forwards particularly - perhaps we’d already allocated too much budget elsewhere), the 5-year plan and focus on patience, the reaction to the Oldham defeat, and eventual relegation... the failures were very visible. Behind the scenes he may very well have made a very positive contribution.
We make one more tackle or win that coin toss in the MPG, and maybe history would have turned out very differently. Top bloke i’m sure, but as it turned out his long-term plan barely got out of the starting gate. As he said himself, everybody has a plan until they’re punched in the face, and the fates came armed with knuckle dusters that year.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"I’ve heard it said that things were a bit semi-pro under Morgan, and that structures have improved since. However, results deteriorated too - reaching a nadir in 2016. It isn’t a completely fair comparison - the board had a different focus, and there were more opportunities to bring in players that could make a difference back then.
It’s difficult to know the extent to which Peacock was responsible for what happened leading up to relegation and certainly it was nowhere near all his fault. He inherited a situation that was already less than ideal, plenty of stuff that you’d assume was outside his remit went wrong, including a lot of plain bad luck. When things got desperate he pulled on the shirt, and when the worst happened he offered his resignation. None of the negativity reflects badly on him as person. However, recruitment (or relative lack thereof, in the forwards particularly - perhaps we’d already allocated too much budget elsewhere), the 5-year plan and focus on patience, the reaction to the Oldham defeat, and eventual relegation... the failures were very visible. Behind the scenes he may very well have made a very positive contribution.
We make one more tackle or win that coin toss in the MPG, and maybe history would have turned out very differently. Top bloke i’m sure, but as it turned out his long-term plan barely got out of the starting gate. As he said himself, everybody has a plan until they’re punched in the face, and the fates came armed with knuckle dusters that year.'"
All valid points. However the ultimate question you have to ask is "Are we in a better condition as a club since he has been here?"
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| Quote ="Hessle rover"My opinion:
Waste of time
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Rovers benifited him, more than rovers (management networking)
Pretty disappointing tenure considering who and what he’d done in the game.
Bye Jamie.'"
There are a lot of people at the club (backroom staff etc) who would disagree with every one of your points. Several people at the club before his arrival claim he has made a big impact to systems and structures since he arrived and that he laid the foundations for Tim Sheens.
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| Quote ="LifeLongHKRFan"All valid points. However the ultimate question you have to ask is "Are we in a better condition as a club since he has been here?"'"
From the outside, and noting that Peacock should get neither all the credit or all the blame i’d say, on balance ‘no’. There are plenty of caveats I could add to that, and after relegation it could have been much worse. But we’re three years further on from the last time we were quite good in the top flight, and top 8 seemed more likely going into 2016 (for all that it turned out badly) than it does right now, even with promotion and survival secured pretty efficiently. Maybe after a couple more signings, we can think about getting back to the level that caused Morgan to be released!
What does impress me about his statement is that there are no excuses, or complaints about the adversity we faced. It was, as he says, a baptism of fire. There are plenty of more experienced people who would have struggled under those circumstances. Even Sheens, when somebody suggested he must have seen everything in his career, said this year’s injuries, illnesses and drug suspension were at another level to anything he’d experienced. It’s tough, especially away from the handful of the wealthiest clubs, and Peacock will have learned a lot. Personally, I wish we’d stayed up, won a trophy and he’d learned nowt, but life is full of disappointments.
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| Peacock was available so Rovers created a role for him. For me that's the wrong way around.
Sheens came in and Peacock was no longer needed if indeed he ever had been in the first place. Peacock went part time then one day a week then see you when you next pop in.
Good luck to Jamie in truth his worthwhile contribution at Rovers finished some time ago this announcement simply makes it official.
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| Peacock for me was another in a raft of abortive management appointments. On the board and coaching alike. We've had Scott, Brown, Hackney, Keable, Langley, Pease, Peacock, Sandercock, Chester, Webster.. all brought in to fanfare/"great appointments" comments but are any still at the club except Webster? Either the chairmen have appointed the wrong people every year or... Meanwhile Mike Smith is a constant.
Since Lakin and Morgan left we've had average appointment after average appointment at the top table of the club and have stagnated as a result. The board continue to spend hundreds of thousands per year to just stand still.
Fresh thinking is needed for me. Bring in someone to the board from a NRL club for a couple of years. Back him with cash to get ahead in areas like memberships, reserve grade, marketing and match day experience. Similarly go for a strong NRL coaching assistant to succeed Sheens (looking like he hasn't signed an extension?). As I have commented before there is nothing in appointments so far to say we want to actually challenge any time soon. I hope this will be addressed with some ambitious announcement soon.
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| Quote ="Zook Ema's Hose"Peacock for me was another in a raft of abortive management appointments. On the board and coaching alike. We've had Scott, Brown, Hackney, Keable, Langley, Pease, Peacock, Sandercock, Chester, Webster.. all brought in to fanfare/"great appointments" comments but are any still at the club except Webster? Either the chairmen have appointed the wrong people every year or... Meanwhile Mike Smith is a constant.
Since Lakin and Morgan left we've had average appointment after average appointment at the top table of the club and have stagnated as a result. The board continue to spend hundreds of thousands per year to just stand still.
Fresh thinking is needed for me. Bring in someone to the board from a NRL club for a couple of years. Back him with cash to get ahead in areas like memberships, reserve grade, marketing and match day experience. Similarly go for a strong NRL coaching assistant to succeed Sheens (looking like he hasn't signed an extension?). As I have commented before there is nothing in appointments so far to say we want to actually challenge any time soon. I hope this will be addressed with some ambitious announcement soon.'"
I don’t agree with all of that but some good points made, the main problem no one seems to address is who is going to supply the money? For all they have done the board don’t have the millions required & judgeing by the crowds we get the fans are not there in large enough numbers or prepared to pay a reasonable price either.
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| Quote ="Beverley red"I don’t agree with all of that but some good points made, the main problem no one seems to address is who is going to supply the money? For all they have done the board don’t have the millions required & judgeing by the crowds we get the fans are not there in large enough numbers or prepared to pay a reasonable price either.'"
The new structure makes life easier financially from what I understand. We need better decisions from the top regards who we spend on. The story in the LE this week indicates new signings so let's hope they are quality.
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| We get the same amount of money as wakefield and cas, and Salford for that matter. We are bringing more youth through than the majority of Super League- on par with F.C so the first team squad should be as competitive as all the afore mentioned.
Wigan and Saints apart there should be not much difference in squad quality in Super League
So it begs the question, why aren't we signing quality players, in positions we are in dire need for. I dont buy in to this "we are on a limb out on the m62", we are the same geographically when we signed Vella, Webster, Dobson, Galea, Briscoe and even Willie Mason !!
I just think the board have been scarred by the likes of Gleeson, Thornley, Campese, Burns and the like who all commanded huge salaries. Time to take some risks and sign quality cos if we keep signing squad fillers like Walne we are going to come a cropper if London are to compete well this season.
Whoever goes down this season i think will find it as hard as it has ever been to regain top flight status as proved with the Championship quality last season.
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| Quote ="robinrovers10"We get the same amount of money as wakefield and cas, and Salford for that matter. We are bringing more youth through than the majority of Super League- on par with F.C so the first team squad should be as competitive as all the afore mentioned.
Wigan and Saints apart there should be not much difference in squad quality in Super League
So it begs the question, why aren't we signing quality players, in positions we are in dire need for. I dont buy in to this "we are on a limb out on the m62", we are the same geographically when we signed Vella, Webster, Dobson, Galea, Briscoe and even Willie Mason !!
I just think the board have been scarred by the likes of Gleeson, Thornley, Campese, Burns and the like who all commanded huge salaries. Time to take some risks and sign quality cos if we keep signing squad fillers like Walne we are going to come a cropper if London are to compete well this season.
Whoever goes down this season i think will find it as hard as it has ever been to regain top flight status as proved with the Championship quality last season.'"
Agree with a lot of this. All signings provide a risk, will they perform as expected, what if they get injured and can we cover them if they do, will they fit in. All relevant concerns, and as mentioned are the board now ultra cautious after being stung by previous adversity, which part of me can understand. The main point now though is that we absolutely must not be battling in the bottom two or three again. Success breeds success, or at least the possibility of it, and this club, with a fair wind and a bit of good fortune(for once) is more than capable of being a real force. That means signing real quality and making a statement, or are we happy to just compete and survive?
I don,t sign the cheques, and if I did I might also be ultra cautious, but supporters want success, I do, I saw it and it was fantastic, I want to see it again.
I have also seen the dark days and don,t ever want a repeat.
I honestly think with maybe three more quality signings(tough, but do-able with the will) we have a real chance to progress. Will it happen, I don,t know, but the silence concerns me, plus no news on TS signing an extension, or Blair being given a deal.
Training starts soon, some good news would be welcome.
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| Quote ="robinrovers10" We are bringing more youth through than the majority of Super League- on par with F.C '"
While it should now be on a par with Hull, given we share an academy, and I haven’t done a club by club comparison, that feels like a stretch. Lawler might get a first 17 squad number for 2019, but if he does I suspect he’ll be the only one who could be viewed as being a Rovers product.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"While it should now be on a par with Hull, given we share an academy, and I haven’t done a club by club comparison, that feels like a stretch. Lawler might get a first 17 squad number for 2019, but if he does I suspect he’ll be the only one who could be viewed as being a Rovers product.'"
Wow, for someone like you who must spend every other minute looking at this forum, im assuming you attend the matches?? Oakes (yes he is or product, we got him as a just turned 16 little boy), Wallis, Cator, Wardill and Harrison must have sprung out of nowhere. I would even throw Mulhern in there, as 99% of his development has been at Rovers, likewise Atkin and Shaw.
so that's at least 5.
I reckon if you spent more time watching the first team instead of trawling through peoples posts on internet forum where people should say whatever they want, you may see furthur than your nose.
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| Quote ="robinrovers10"Wow, for someone like you who must spend every other minute looking at this forum, im assuming you attend the matches?? Oakes (yes he is or product, we got him as a just turned 16 little boy), Wallis, Cator, Wardill and Harrison must have sprung out of nowhere. I would even throw Mulhern in there, as 99% of his development has been at Rovers, likewise Atkin and Shaw.
so that's at least 5.
I reckon if you spent more time watching the first team instead of trawling through peoples posts on internet forum where people should say whatever they want, you may see furthur than your nose.
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So after that MR was right really the players you’ve mentioned aren’t really going to be starters and we can’t really claim Atkin Mulhearn and Shaw as our products but it’s good to see youth actually coming through
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so that's at least 5.
I reckon if you spent more time watching the first team instead of trawling through peoples posts on internet forum where people should say whatever they want, you may see furthur than your nose.
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You’re entitled to your opinion, just as i’m entitled to disagree with it - I certainly won’t be sending you a PM about it!
I do prefer to discuss things with people I disagree with, and so have a tendency to play devil’s advocate. I apologise if you found my tone aggressive or patronising.
Our disagreement really comes down a different definition of ‘bringing through youth’. My feeling, in terms of making us attractive to new recruits, is that the young players of the fringes of the squad won’t make much difference to outsiders’ perception. We know who they are because we’re interested in Rovers. I imagine other clubs have their own youngsters, but I’m not very aware of them because they haven’t broken through yet. The brutal reality is that most won’t have long-term SL careers - and there’s no shame in that! Spaven, Beharrell, Peterson, Sheriff, Hallett, Ollet, Guzdek, Holker, Robinson, Jubb, Moran - that’s how it usually turns out. My opinion is that until a few more make it to first choice in the 17, we’ll be perceived as a club that struggles to bring much young talent through the ranks to the first team.
Atkin, Shaw and Mulhern is a different way of looking at it. However, Atkin was already 24 and established championship player when he joined. Shaw was also 24, and Mulhern 22. So I think that is a fair, but slightly separate point.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"You’re entitled to your opinion, just as i’m entitled to disagree with it - I certainly won’t be sending you a PM about it!
I do prefer to discuss things with people I disagree with, and so have a tendency to play devil’s advocate. I apologise if you found my tone aggressive or patronising.
Our disagreement really comes down a different definition of ‘bringing through youth’. My feeling, in terms of making us attractive to new recruits, is that the young players of the fringes of the squad won’t make much difference to outsiders’ perception. We know who they are because we’re interested in Rovers. I imagine other clubs have their own youngsters, but I’m not very aware of them because they haven’t broken through yet. The brutal reality is that most won’t have long-term SL careers - and there’s no shame in that! Spaven, Beharrell, Peterson, Sheriff, Hallett, Ollet, Guzdek, Holker, Robinson, Jubb, Moran - that’s how it usually turns out. My opinion is that until a few more make it to first choice in the 17, we’ll be perceived as a club that struggles to bring much young talent through the ranks to the first team.
Atkin, Shaw and Mulhern is a different way of looking at it. However, Atkin was already 24 and established championship player when he joined. Shaw was also 24, and Mulhern 22. So I think that is a fair, but slightly separate point.'"
Fair do's but my main piont is that we ARE bringing youth through at the par rate of Super League. Why is it that only a small percentage actually breakthrough?
Every season we add the same amount of youth to the 1st team squad (usually 3-4 a season).
So why cant they make the breakthrough like St helens/Wigan/Leeds.
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| Quote ="robinrovers10"Fair do's but my main piont is that we ARE bringing youth through at the par rate of Super League. Why is it that only a small percentage actually breakthrough?
Every season we add the same amount of youth to the 1st team squad (usually 3-4 a season).
So why cant they make the breakthrough like St helens/Wigan/Leeds.'"
My guess is that in those teams, they have better players around them to help them when they make their debut. Whereas we have squad players with few quality ones mixed in.
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Every season we add the same amount of youth to the 1st team squad (usually 3-4 a season).
So why cant they make the breakthrough like St helens/Wigan/Leeds.'"
It is an important, interesting and difficult question. I really don’t know. LifeLongHKRFan makes a fair point. Also, are they just not as good as the lads at Saints and Wigan, or are we missing something in our processes? One positive is that more of them seem to look physically ready to play against men than has sometimes been the case in the past.
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