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| Quote ="luke ShipleyRed"According to league express. Rovers specifically asked the rfl that they did not play Hull.
Partly because of the growing dissatisfaction of the over saturation of the Derby. Which is being voiced byou both sets of fans. But the RFL turned it down.'"
That's old News it was in the hull daily mail a week ago thanks
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| Quote ="luke ShipleyRed"According to league express. Rovers specifically asked the rfl that they did not play Hull.
Partly because of the growing dissatisfaction of the over saturation of the Derby. Which is being voiced byou both sets of fans. But the RFL turned it down.'"
That's old News it was in the hull daily mail a week ago thanks
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| Quote ="luke ShipleyRed"According to league express. Rovers specifically asked the rfl that they did not play Hull.
Partly because of the growing dissatisfaction of the over saturation of the Derby. Which is being voiced byou both sets of fans. But the RFL turned it down.'"
Why wouldn't they, I suppose? MW makes the RFL a load of money.
It's a shame really, as MW or "On the Road" games, if done correctly could be great for the game. But to do that, the RFL need to invest in local marketing & development officers, ensuring that the event is attended by as many locals as possible, and some sort of lasting legacy is left behind at grassroots level.
But, Magic Weekend's sole purpose now is to make money for the RFL, nothing more. They've literally created an extra round of fixtures to fill their pockets.
Regards to the Derby, I fully agree with Rovers' view on it.
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| Quote ="cravenpark1"That's old News it was in the hull daily mail a week ago thanks'"
Ok we heard you the first time.
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| Quote ="DGM"Why wouldn't they, I suppose? MW makes the RFL a load of money.
It's a shame really, as MW or "On the Road" games, if done correctly could be great for the game. But to do that, the RFL need to invest in local marketing & development officers, ensuring that the event is attended by as many locals as possible, and some sort of lasting legacy is left behind at grassroots level.
But, Magic Weekend's sole purpose now is to make money for the RFL, nothing more. They've literally created an extra round of fixtures to fill their pockets.
Regards to the Derby, I fully agree with Rovers' view on it.'"
Agree. I personally would like to see instead of it all being held at one place. A weekend we're games are held at different non RL grounds. (I expect Cas v Leeds in Middlesbrough etc). Which as you say if done rightly can attract big crowds promote the sport and hopefully get young kids playing it.
In my opinion Magic Weekend has pretty much had its day now. And as you say is now all about money for the rfl. As is international rugby nowadays.
Craven park sorry if its old news. I don't live in Hull, so don't get the Hull daily Mail.
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| Quote ="luke ShipleyRed"Agree. I personally would like to see instead of it all being held at one place. A weekend we're games are held at different non RL grounds. (I expect Cas v Leeds in Middlesbrough etc). Which as you say if done rightly can attract big crowds promote the sport and hopefully get young kids playing it.
In my opinion Magic Weekend has pretty much had its day now. And as you say is now all about money for the rfl. As is international rugby nowadays.
Craven park sorry if its old news. I don't live in Hull, so don't get the Hull daily Mail.'"
Doesn't the internet reach as far as Shipley
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"Doesn't the internet reach as far as Shipley
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Occasionally, very slowely. Sometimes we even get same day stories
But even if it did run properly, The Hull Daily Mail website would be one of the last I'd read. It was crap when I lived in Hull. Can't see it improving since I left.
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| Quote ="luke ShipleyRed"Occasionally, very slowely. Sometimes we even get same day stories
But even if it did run properly, The Hull Daily Mail website would be one of the last I'd read. It was crap when I lived in Hull. Can't see it improving since I left.'"
Amazingly, using the web site has actually made the experience worse.
I true triumph of ineptitude.
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| Just for clarification......Rovers keep the entire proceeds of all Magic Weekend ticket sales made through the club.
As do all the clubs. The decision to go again with the Hull derby was not made for the financial gain of the RFL.
Hull FC did not request that there should be no Hull derby so you can't please everyone.
Hull KR v Widnes? Not going to excite too many people surely.
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| Quote ="His Bobness"
Hull KR v Widnes? Not going to excite too many people surely.'"
Oh I don’t know, last time it was played there were a few excited folk near me.
As for MW, I’d be happy for any fixture but the one we got. It’s been done to death and 1 year off wasn’t nearly long enough.
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| Quote ="Seventies red"Ok we heard you the first time.
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| Quote ="luke ShipleyRed"Occasionally, very slowely. Sometimes we even get same day stories
But even if it did run properly, The Hull Daily Mail website would be one of the last I'd read. It was crap when I lived in Hull. Can't see it improving since I left.'"
It is minefield trying to read anything on the Hull daily mail website with adverts along with pop up adverts along with random things it just takes you too
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"It is minefield trying to read anything on the Hull daily mail website with adverts along with pop up adverts along with random things it just takes you too'"
I do not get adverts or pop up adverts when reading it on line I have a advert blocker
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| A radical approach to the saturation of derby's is for the fanbase to say enough is enough by not attending Magic and the pre-season cashcow.
I certainly won't be going and haven't been to the 'friendly' for three years.
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| Quote ="Paul_HKR"A radical approach to the saturation of derby's is for the fanbase to say enough is enough by not attending Magic and the pre-season cashcow.
I certainly won't be going and haven't been to the 'friendly' for three years.'"
It makes sense for Hull and rovers to play a preseason game. Timings / travel etc are cut down. That said, I don' attend pre season friendlies as there is simply nothing in it for the fan other then to see a glorified training session. Simple answer is not to go.
Magic is a competitive league game, no problem with this, but i the RFL want to make it a genuine spectacle then they should have 1v2, 3v4 etc from the previous seasons standings to in theory get two equally matched teams.
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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"It makes sense for Hull and rovers to play a preseason game. Timings / travel etc are cut down. That said, I don' attend pre season friendlies as there is simply nothing in it for the fan other then to see a glorified training session. Simple answer is not to go.
Magic is a competitive league game, no problem with this, but i the RFL want to make it a genuine spectacle then they should have 1v2, 3v4 etc from the previous seasons standings to in theory get two equally matched teams.'"
What's the point in trying level it out when the very concept of Magic Weekend and the 23rd fixture casts do over how fair the league fixtures are.
Why should Hull have to play Saints 3 times, and Warrington play Widnes 3 times? With MW in it's current guise offering 2 league points, it's always going to be unfair whatever fixtures are played.
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| Quote ="DGM"What's the point in trying level it out when the very concept of Magic Weekend and the 23rd fixture casts do over how fair the league fixtures are.
Why should Hull have to play Saints 3 times, and Warrington play Widnes 3 times? With MW in it's current guise offering 2 league points, [uit's always going to be unfair whatever fixtures are played[/u.'"
IIRC the original concept of MW was to have a 'spectacle' of derby fixtures - the only survivor is the Hull derby!
Much was written in the media about the fall in attendance last year, with the Hull Derby pinpointed as the reason. I guess it was to be expected it would be re-introduced.
I agree it is unfair no matter how the fixtures are structured but I would like to see a 'tiered' approach - last seasons top 8 play each other and the bottom 3 + promoted team play each other - with the fixtures drawn out of a hat. I would also like the games to have an incentive of if you score 4 or more tries you earn a point ie the possibility of each games outcome 3pts to the winner, 1pt to the loser.
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| Quote ="Paul_HKR"IIRC the original concept of MW was to have a 'spectacle' of derby fixtures - the only survivor is the Hull derby!
Much was written in the media about the fall in attendance last year, with the Hull Derby pinpointed as the reason. I guess it was to be expected it would be re-introduced.
I agree it is unfair no matter how the fixtures are structured but I would like to see a 'tiered' approach - last seasons top 8 play each other and the bottom 3 + promoted team play each other - with the fixtures drawn out of a hat. I would also like the games to have an incentive of if you score 4 or more tries you earn a point ie the possibility of each games outcome 3pts to the winner, 1pt to the loser.'"
No No and No again. We do not want bonus points. It was tried in the Championship and no one liked it. Its like giving everyone a medal at sports day because they tried their hardest. Winners get the points and losers don't. Simple.
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| Quote ="LifeLongHKRFan"No No and No again. We do not want bonus points. It was tried in the Championship and no one liked it. Its like giving everyone a medal at sports day because they tried their hardest. Winners get the points and losers don't. Simple.'"
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| Not a lot of interest from me for another derby, I can see the logic of playing a friendly in regards of convenience. I have suggested before that if they insist on it we could use it to promote the local game by playing a double header with the Council cup final & a fund raiser for the local League sides. That gives them a bigger stage to play on & a one off experience for the grass roots players while putting something back into the community. Unfortunately I see the clubs trying to squeeze the last penny out for their own pockets. As for the MW not right or fair for all the reasons stated before. The only way is for one side to give up a home game every other year? turkeys voting for Christmas springs to mind.
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| Quote ="LifeLongHKRFan"No No and No again. We do not want bonus points. It was tried in the Championship and no one liked it. Its like giving everyone a medal at sports day because they tried their hardest. Winners get the points and losers don't. Simple.'"
I wouldn't want incentive points introduced carte blanch but certainly at the MW to spice things up.
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| A 9's comp over the 2 days would be much better all round. If teams were playing regularly on both days it would encourage more fans to hang around for the full weekend and would keep the league nice and even
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"A 9's comp over the 2 days would be much better all round. If teams were playing regularly on both days it would encourage more fans to hang around for the full weekend and would keep the league nice and even'"
Fans wouldn't turn up to a 9s comp I remember when I was a young kid going to 7s tournaments in the summer particularly at the boulevard
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"Fans wouldn't turn up to a 9s comp I remember when I was a young kid going to 7s tournaments in the summer particularly at the boulevard'"
Seven Sea's Sevens, loved that as a kid.
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