With hindsight, morgan shouldn't have turned down fitzgibbon, o'meley and moa when they came knowcking (according to zod anyway)

sI've een the incident on youtube where clinton gets knocked out. Notwithstanding that fact (which was a complete accident due to a head clash), what has happened to him as a player? Looked like he could run through a brick wall when he took that ball in. Seen none of it at rovers

I didnt want to be the one to bring that up for the risk of been called a troll!!

What and have players breaking tackles willy nilly, running at pace and scoring tries.

No thank you very much

Plus the fact that it would be off-topic..

To be fair to Joel he does run it in at pace and certainly doesn't do the highland jig 3 paces before the line surrender like a lot do. The main problem with our packs line speed is that we play a flat line and the forwards never seem to get the ball and are allowed to run at pace (except from the kick off etc). Add to that he got some stinkers of passes yesterday and had to check his run to catch the ball and losing the momentum.

I dont think we play any where near flat enough when bringing the ball out of our end. Funny how opinions differ!

I also dont think Clinton is Rovers problem.

Take the ON off and you'd have one of the problems

I half find myself wanting to ask you what you think Rovers problem is but also half realising it would be the biggest mistake i make this week.....and its only monday.

Well your a Hull fans, not like you can say uve seen much of him is it? the times we've been on sky our FULL team as been woeful; so that takes it down to errrr 1 derby game?



For me he was MOM on sunday - massive hits going in; how Vella got it only proves to me that those sponsers that pick really dont have a clue.

Joel does hit the ball up hard and makes good yards, but the fact he is a straight line runner rather than a prop with footwork and technique is why i would use him from the bench where i think he'd be far more useful to the team. Also i'm assuming when you said line speed you meant ruck speed. Rovers ruck speed problems are down in main to slow and inconsistent play the ball speed. Its an area Rovers have show very little improvement in imo.

Seen him a few times on SKY. If you watch the youtube footage he looks very impressive (until the head clash) and I've seen none of that in the games I've watched him play

I'll answer anyway.

I think it's a combination of having no recognised quality 6, not using Murrell at 13, Galea and Newton not living up to last years form and a relatively weak front row with only Clinton and Vella been upto it and even then Vella is strapped up like mad every week. I also think there's a serious lack of impact from Rovers interchange bench, something which most top teams need.

Just my view looking from the outside and based purely on what i see on TV and the reports i read.

You seriously thought Clinton was mom yesterday?? FWIW i didn't think Vella was either but he played a hell of a lot more minutes than Clinton and was completely error free.

I thought Welham was mom in all honesty.

Your best player, surely?

One of the best of a very average bunch imo, play anyone half decent and we would of lost by 18 not won by it.

Agreed Welham was also one of the better ones... but for me should of got binned for the extremely late tackle, but keeping him on made up for the late one on Dobson.

Oh and for me, this season is 1 to many for Vella nevermind hes contracted til 2011, He looks like an old man playing rugby now.

I think its glaringly obvious that we need a quality 6 and i would also agree that we dont have enough impact coming off the bench. Perhaps bringing Clinton off the bench could go some way to rectifying that but i dont think it is why Morgan brought him across.
I would like to see Murrell back at 13 if only because Hodgson and Fisher both deserve to stay in the 17 but i still think he has the makings of a good hooker. At the minute he has to stay at 6 because we have no other option.

He's a good player but not playing anything like he can and he's got to stop thinking he is MR Hull KR

He wouldn't play any less minutes coming off the bench than he does as a starting prop and would be far more effective imho.

Liam Watts for me.

And me, closely followed by Welham for making one, scoring one and a great hit on Bosc.

I'd like 13 players on the pitch all thinking they're Mr Hull KR.

I do know that my mates 6 year old daughter has picked the sponsors MOM at least once this season.

Thought he was Rovers best forward, but Welham just edged it for me.

I think thats a bit harsh to be fair. He does alot more than he's credited for IMO.