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| Morgan loves himself too much. I remember him doing an interview during the quarter final in 2009, lauighing and joking when you had a 12 points lead. smacks of arrogance. Get rid whilst people are looking for work. i.e Brian Noble
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| Quote ="Nikaed"Morgan loves himself too much. I remember him doing an interview during the quarter final in 2009, lauighing and joking when you had a 12 points lead. smacks of arrogance. Get rid whilst people are looking for work. i.e Brian Noble'"
A lack of humility only becomes an issue when you're losing. Morgan's problem is that he is losing, not that fans of other clubs think him arrogant. I don't need to judge him as a person - as a coach, a degree of self-confidence is necessary. As is resilience, which is what he needs to show now.
The next four games are a chance to put some things right and get some confidence.
HKR are an ambitious club, but only medium-sized and still young by SL standards. It has come a long way quickly, but there was always likely to be a bump or two in the road. We're starting to see some homegrown players come through the ranks and that'll give the squad a more stable foundation and allow us cherry-pick buy-ins rather than go to Riolo's wholesalers. There'll still be rubbish performances and seasons - we're not the Harlem Globetrotters (and bad as things seem, we're not the Washington Generals either!).
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"A lack of humility only becomes an issue when you're losing. Morgan's problem is that he is losing, not that fans of other clubs think him arrogant. I don't need to judge him as a person - as a coach, a degree of self-confidence is necessary. As is resilience, which is what he needs to show now.
The next four games are a chance to put some things right and get some confidence.
HKR are an ambitious club, but only medium-sized and still young by SL standards. It has come a long way quickly, but there was always likely to be a bump or two in the road. We're starting to see some homegrown players come through the ranks and that'll give the squad a more stable foundation and allow us cherry-pick buy-ins rather than go to Riolo's wholesalers. There'll still be rubbish performances and seasons - we're not the Harlem Globetrotters (and bad as things seem, we're not the Washington Generals either!).'"
Same way as Karl Harrison for me, did great at Salford and got them a playoff berth in the top flight then went as far as he could. Also similar to Cullen with us.
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| Quote ="Nikaed"Morgan loves himself too much. I remember him doing an interview during the quarter final in 2009, lauighing and joking when you had a 12 points lead. smacks of arrogance. Get rid whilst people are looking for work. i.e Brian Noble'"
Whatever happens, I sincerely hope we don't stage a 'sit-in' like Warrington did in 08', where 200 goggly-eyed dribblers stayed in their seats after the Cas humiliation blubbering 'Cullen out' for a sustained period of time.
Horrible sight.
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| Thought Scott Taylor had one of his best games in a Rovers shirt yesterday.
Defended pretty well, looked determined with ball in hand and his try took a lot of scoring.
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| Quote ="ChampagneSuperRovers"Whatever happens, I sincerely hope we don't stage a 'sit-in' like Warrington did in 08', where 200 goggly-eyed dribblers stayed in their seats after the Cas humiliation blubbering 'Cullen out' for a sustained period of time.
Horrible sight.'"
It was embarassing that to be honest. Have you been bumming king warrior? The lad has that in his sig?
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| Quote ="Nikaed"It was embarassing that to be honest. Have you been bumming king warrior? The lad has that in his sig?'"
I was at that Cas game, it was 28-14 with 10mins left then ended up 28-36 didn't it?!
I've seen that quote loads round here, and it made me chuckle cos that's exactly what I thought it was.
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| I think they were in the terracing though. I wasn't involved thankfully. It was the best thing to happen to the club in along time.
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| Quote ="Nikaed"I think they were in the terracing though. I wasn't involved thankfully. It was the best thing to happen to the club in along time.'"
You'd think Cullen being ousted would just be as painful as wanting Morgan out seeing as how both have had long affliations with the two clubs, Cullen was there for 25 years in total wasn't he? But, I feel you lot getting rid of Cullen was the only option and a much easier one than HKR getting rid of Morgan. Clearly though, it shouldn't be rushed because Wire getting Lowes in as the replacement didn't exactly bring dividends either did it (going 7 games unbeaten or whatever run you went on) just covered the cracks.. and then along came T.Smith. There isn't a lot of talent on the market, surely, Brian Mcclennan would be a cracking coach, apart from running that Exiles team, is he doing anything?
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| I agree, short term it wasn't great but better long term. Brian Noble would be ideal.
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| Quote ="ChampagneSuperRovers"You'd think Cullen being ousted would just be as painful as wanting Morgan out seeing as how both have had long affliations with the two clubs, Cullen was there for 25 years in total wasn't he? But, I feel you lot getting rid of Cullen was the only option and a much easier one than HKR getting rid of Morgan. Clearly though, it shouldn't be rushed because Wire getting Lowes in as the replacement didn't exactly bring dividends either did it (going 7 games unbeaten or whatever run you went on) just covered the cracks.. and then along came T.Smith. There isn't a lot of talent on the market, surely, Brian Mcclennan would be a cracking coach, apart from running that Exiles team, is he doing anything?'"
The difference is, Warrington's team was full of international stars and was clearly a lot better on paper than on the pitch, are Hull KR?
I look at Briscoe; Cockayne, Welham, Hall, Colbon; Green, Dobson; Netherton, Hodgson, Vella, Newton, Galea, Taylor.
Replacements: Wheeldon, Murrell, Lovegrove, Watts. vs Hodgson; King, Bridge, Atkins, Williams; Briers, Myler; Morley, M Monaghan, Carvell, Grix, Westwood, Harrison and see a massive gulf in class which was reflected in the scoreline.
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| Quote ="Old_Faithful_IAKW"The difference is, Warrington's team was full of international stars and was clearly a lot better on paper than on the pitch, are Hull KR?
I look at Briscoe; Cockayne, Welham, Hall, Colbon; Green, Dobson; Netherton, Hodgson, Vella, Newton, Galea, Taylor.
Replacements: Wheeldon, Murrell, Lovegrove, Watts. vs Hodgson; King, Bridge, Atkins, Williams; Briers, Myler; Morley, M Monaghan, Carvell, Grix, Westwood, Harrison and see a massive gulf in class which was reflected in the scoreline.'"
True but Wire weren't even that great, they didn't need to be. We were absolutely terrible. I haven't seen us play that badly since we lost to Halifax in 2005 with twenty minutes to go in the second half after conceding, the players were all just stood about behind the goal line in a rabble. No one was talking to each other and the majority looked like they'd rather have been anywhere else but there.
I expected to lose but I also expect the players to look as though they actually give a toss.
Our completion rate must have been somewhere around the forty per cent mark.
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| Interesting match report by Andy Wilson in The Guardian
"Warrington became the third leaders of the Super League in 48 hours, although even they must have been surprised at the ineptitude of their opposition....
..It was surely no coincidence that Rovers' most obviously hapless performers were Michael Dobson and Ben Galea, who have been key contributors to the success they have enjoyed under Morgan in five seasons in the Super League, but who have also been at the centre of much recent speculation. David Riolo, the Australian agent who represents both players, as well as Morgan and several other Rovers imports, was at the game. However, Morgan dismissed the suggestion that this was anything other than a bad day at the office...
..Yet this defeat leaves Rovers five points behind Hull, their fierce local rivals who occupy the eighth play-off position that the chairman, Neil Hudgell, reiterated in his programme notes would be the bare minimum for an acceptable season. "Anything less for me, I'm afraid, will represent failure, particularly in the context of us investing in a full salary cap," he wrote.
The idea that Rovers could challenge for the play-offs seemed laughable as they fumbled through the first half..
..But the damage to the rapport with the supporters that has been a key factor in the Robins' revival of recent years had already been done. That might be the most worrying aspect of this performance, for both Morgan and Hudgell. [uThe Craven Park fairytale is very definitely over now.[/u
Ouch.
[urlhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/jun/19/matt-king-warrington-hull-kr[/url
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista" [urlhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/jun/19/matt-king-warrington-hull-kr[/url'"
Aye, I saw that and it does feel like an era/cycle is coming to an end. It's the first, or at least biggest, period of plopness since I started taking a more serious interest. Still enjoying it though. Watching (or not!) on DVD a few days later takes the edge off and keeps me mild.
And tomorrow always holds the promise of better things, the spivvy charlatan trickster.
RW's anti-swearing pogrom is making me explore our rich language more fully - once I would have written 'lying '.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Interesting match report by Andy Wilson in The Guardian
"Warrington became the third leaders of the Super League in 48 hours, although even they must have been surprised at the ineptitude of their opposition....
..It was surely no coincidence that Rovers' most obviously hapless performers were Michael Dobson and Ben Galea, who have been key contributors to the success they have enjoyed under Morgan in five seasons in the Super League, but who have also been at the centre of much recent speculation. David Riolo, the Australian agent who represents both players, as well as Morgan and several other Rovers imports, was at the game. However, Morgan dismissed the suggestion that this was anything other than a bad day at the office...
..Yet this defeat leaves Rovers five points behind Hull, their fierce local rivals who occupy the eighth play-off position that the chairman, Neil Hudgell, reiterated in his programme notes would be the bare minimum for an acceptable season. "Anything less for me, I'm afraid, will represent failure, particularly in the context of us investing in a full salary cap," he wrote.
The idea that Rovers could challenge for the play-offs seemed laughable as they fumbled through the first half..
..But the damage to the rapport with the supporters that has been a key factor in the Robins' revival of recent years had already been done. That might be the most worrying aspect of this performance, for both Morgan and Hudgell. [uThe Craven Park fairytale is very definitely over now.[/u
Ouch.
[urlhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/jun/19/matt-king-warrington-hull-kr[/url'"
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"And tomorrow always holds the promise of better things, the spivvy charlatan trickster.'"
When my kids are sulking/fed up, I belt out "Tomorrow" from Annie continuously until they agree to cheer up. Unorthodox parenting, but works a treat, never usually get past a couple of minutes.
Well, looks like the sun's coming out for y'all pretty soon. "You're only a day away.."
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| Quote ="Old_Faithful_IAKW"The difference is, Warrington's team was full of international stars and was clearly a lot better on paper than on the pitch, are Hull KR?
I look at Briscoe; Cockayne, Welham, Hall, Colbon; Green, Dobson; Netherton, Hodgson, Vella, Newton, Galea, Taylor.
Replacements: Wheeldon, Murrell, Lovegrove, Watts. vs Hodgson; King, Bridge, Atkins, Williams; Briers, Myler; Morley, M Monaghan, Carvell, Grix, Westwood, Harrison and see a massive gulf in class which was reflected in the scoreline.'"
Yet Rovers spend the full salary cap on the squad of 2011...how..?
JM has only himself to blame i am afraid, Hudge has much to answer for as he gave Morgan carte blanche and went 100% along with his train of thought , but Morgs has had the money , had the backing , had free reign to build the squad and backroom staff and has made a pigs ear of it...he is a decent guy and has had some wonderful moments that will live long in the memory but he has made some very poor decisions and i dont know wether he has the will or mindset to climb out of the hole he has dug himself...
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| Quote ="Larry Billey"Yet Rovers spend the full salary cap on the squad of 2011...how..?
JM has only himself to blame i am afraid, Hudge has much to answer for as he gave Morgan carte blanche and went 100% along with his train of thought , but Morgs has had the money , had the backing , had free reign to build the squad and backroom staff and has made a pigs ear of it...he is a decent guy and has had some wonderful moments that will live long in the memory but he has made some very poor decisions and i dont know wether he has the will or mindset to climb out of the hole he has dug himself...'"
Bang on the money again LB.
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| Quote ="Larry Billey"Yet Rovers spend the full salary cap on the squad of 2011...how..?
JM has only himself to blame i am afraid, Hudge has much to answer for as he gave Morgan carte blanche and went 100% along with his train of thought , but Morgs has had the money , had the backing , had free reign to build the squad and backroom staff and has made a pigs ear of it...he is a decent guy and has had some wonderful moments that will live long in the memory but he has made some very poor decisions and i dont know wether he has the will or mindset to climb out of the hole he has dug himself...'"
A sad but prob very accurate statement and sad as in the way it's turned out for Morgan
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| Quote ="Larry Billey"Yet Rovers spend the full salary cap on the squad of 2011...how..?
JM has only himself to blame i am afraid, Hudge has much to answer for as he gave Morgan carte blanche and went 100% along with his train of thought , but Morgs has had the money , had the backing , had free reign to build the squad and backroom staff and has made a pigs ear of it...he is a decent guy and has had some wonderful moments that will live long in the memory but he has made some very poor decisions and i dont know wether he has the will or mindset to climb out of the hole he has dug himself...'"
their is not a lot more to say but i bet if we lose and i hope not against the quins Justin will be on his bike
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"
RW's anti-swearing pogrom is making me explore our rich language more fully - once I would have written 'lying nice bloke'.'"
Is that what it is, been confusing me that. Thought it was a sense of humour pogrom.
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| Quote ="Hutchie"All that and home before 5
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Now be aware Karl this is where you try and be smart and fail and instead of admitting it you crawl back into your cave.
Look at the OT thread as an example.
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| Half time reaction more like.
Im not Morgan, wouldnt confess to having half his knowledge about the game but after watching us capitulate inside 10 minutes before halftime I would have been down to that touchline inside 30 seconds barking profanity and basics at MY team. Not stuck in a bubble behind glass.
Show some passion at least.
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