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| Quote ="Burtons Forearm"Greater passion wasn't the issue. A shocking inability to complete sets, an awful kicking game and more injuries. Being dominated at the ruck didn't help either.
Ellis was awful. Again played off the park by his opposite number. Only positive is we defended pretty well. After scoring in the first minute of the second half we didn't complete a set for over 20 minutes.
They should have won but blew it.
[uWhy didn't Lunt play?[/u'"
Been in Hospital with a toe infection, which poisoned his system, according to TS
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| Thinking back to the team which got us promoted we seem a little lacking in leaders.with no lunt we missed the one real leader we have.the pack is ok without being anything above average..Half's are again average.keep harping on about cas but watching them today they play so fast and moors and lefao are unstoppable.even wakey in Fifita and Salford in murdoch have that raw power and size.we have props the size of 2nd rows.2nd rows the size of centres.Clark coming back should bring aggression but we need 2 or 3 more better quality players.id also like to see us more nasty as a team.far too nice and to get out of this league we will need far more aggressiveness. It's been a failing since Morgan left.result is all that matters but as we stand now I don't see us beating a superleague side..
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| Quote ="craig hkr"Thinking back to the team which got us promoted we seem a little lacking in leaders.with no lunt we missed the one real leader we have.the pack is ok without being anything above average..Half's are again average.keep harping on about cas but watching them today they play so fast and moors and lefao are unstoppable.even wakey in Fifita and Salford in murdoch have that raw power and size.we have props the size of 2nd rows.2nd rows the size of centres.Clark coming back should bring aggression but we need 2 or 3 more better quality players.id also like to see us more nasty as a team.far too nice and to get out of this league we will need far more aggressiveness. It's been a failing since Morgan left.result is all that matters but as we stand now I don't see us beating a superleague side..'"
Well said Craig got to agree we have been to nice for ages and we do need aggressive Props has soon has possible
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| The things we are relearning again, is that in this league, hard tackling no compromise forwards teamed with a wily old half back, will produce results.
You may not when promotion, but a top 4 finish is attainable. But is that all we want ?
Do we need more ?
Leigh won promotion with a pack containing Hock, Hanson Moimoi, Tickle and Patterson teamed with Burns, Ridyard and Drinkwater.
This term I think only Drinkwater and Hock are playing regular in the first 17, that's a lot of player replacement and do we have that kind of financing available.
Developing young players who have super league potential seems to be our chosen option, so we may not win very battle along the way,but hopefully we can win the final challenge and get back to the top table.
In Sheens we trust (for now !!)
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| We got away with it yesterday because fev kicked the pens, had they backed themselves and gone for it I reckon they win that match.
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| Quote ="barham red"We got away with it yesterday because fev kicked the pens, had they backed themselves and gone for it I reckon they win that match.'"
Hodgson got an interception which turned it for us. I think them keeping the scoreboard ticking always kept them in it and nearly won it for them.
Other than Quinlan we were awful with the ball, particularly our 7 who disappeared. They defended the ruck well...fair. or foul.
We didn't create any repeat sets. They had 3-4 where they trapped us in goal.
Some terrible performances. Ellis 3 plus major errors then disappeared. The bigot..into touch, knock on from the kick off. Liability under the kick to the corner. At 22-18 he elbowed a player on the floor 4 tackles gone 30 meters out. It was game over if the ref saw it...dumb.
Docker Clay looked shattered end of the first half but doggedly kept defending.
We did defend well yesterday especially given the possession they had. They made very few mistakes.
When Oakes came on why the hell did Quinlan go on the wing and the bigot to full back. Quinlan is no winger and our best passer...
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| Quote ="barham red"We got away with it yesterday because fev kicked the pens, had they backed themselves and gone for it I reckon they win that match.'"
They kicked 8 points from pens. They would have needed to turn 3 of those 4 opportunities into (converted) tries to win the game. I'm not convinced.
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| Quote ="barham red"We got away with it yesterday because fev kicked the pens, had they backed themselves and gone for it I reckon they win that match.'"
Or maybe they wouldn't it did seem strange that they chose to kick when they seemed to have momentum and then go for it when they could have taken the lead our goal line defence was pretty good I thought
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| Great game, great atmosphere - think it couldve gone either way till Blairs try at the end
Dont know if that was the biggest away following this season to your ground? It looked like we had brought a few
Thought we were unlucky not to get something from the game - we got too excited when we took the lead shouldve been more sensible instead of making a silly offload
Some will argue we shouldve beaten you in the 8s last season and maybe shouldve yesterday, maybe revenge will come in the reverse fixture? Look forward to you all coming over in what is probably another close run game which will go down to the wire
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| Quote ="Fevxr2i"Great game, great atmosphere - think it couldve gone either way till Blairs try at the end
Dont know if that was the biggest away following this season to your ground? It looked like we had brought a few
Thought we were unlucky not to get something from the game - we got too excited when we took the lead shouldve been more sensible instead of making a silly offload
Some will argue we shouldve beaten you in the 8s last season and maybe shouldve yesterday, maybe revenge will come in the reverse fixture? Look forward to you all coming over in what is probably another close run game which will go down to the wire'"
Bradford apart it was the biggest away following and the loudest
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"Or maybe they wouldn't it did seem strange that they chose to kick when they seemed to have momentum and then go for it when they could have taken the lead our goal line defence was pretty good I thought'"
Earlier this year we (Fev) lost to Rochdale by a point at home in a mudbath having turned down four or five kickable penalties in the first 20 minutes. Since then, for better or worse, we have gone for 2 nearly every occasion when there has been a reasonable opportunity to do so.
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| That's why I can't understand why you didn't take the two to take the lead when you had the chance
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| Quote ="Fevxr2i"Great game, great atmosphere - think it couldve gone either way till Blairs try at the end
Dont know if that was the biggest away following this season to your ground? It looked like we had brought a few
Thought we were unlucky not to get something from the game - we got too excited when we took the lead shouldve been more sensible instead of making a silly offload
Some will argue we shouldve beaten you in the 8s last season and maybe shouldve yesterday, maybe revenge will come in the reverse fixture? Look forward to you all coming over in what is probably another close run game which will go down to the wire'"
I would hope we have a near full strength side and that they perform somewhere near their potential in the return fixture. 'Twas a dire performance to watch yesterday.
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| Quote ="SirStan"They kicked 8 points from pens. They would have needed to turn 3 of those 4 opportunities into (converted) tries to win the game. I'm not convinced.'"
If it's a penalty in front of the sticks and as good a guaranteed 2 points Wayne Bennet's teams always go for goal. You don't score every time you are within 30 of the opponents line why turn down a certain 2 points. It keeps you in the game and the opponents under pressure.
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| The 19 for Monday looks a risk but might still do the job. This must be Sheens squad rotation in preparation for next Saturday.
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| Spoke briefly to James Greenwood outside the ground on Friday. He confirmed he is OK to play, but will be returning against Leigh next Sat. In his words "it was the fixture he preferred to play in given the choice."
This would appear to indicate that we intend to go to Leigh with the strongest squad possible, particularly given the nature of the 19 man squad announced for the Toulouse game.
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| Quote ="Pickering Red"Spoke briefly to James Greenwood outside the ground on Friday. He confirmed he is OK to play, but will be returning against Leigh next Sat. In his words "it was the fixture he preferred to play in given the choice."
This would appear to indicate that we intend to go to Leigh with the strongest squad possible, particularly given the nature of the 19 man squad announced for the Toulouse game.'"
but has long has we do not get any more injured we should be ok in both matches
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| Quote ="cravenpark1"but has long has we do not get any more injured we should be ok in both matches
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I cant believe how many players are injured/rested for this game, it has to be a record!
Quinlan
Scruton
Lunt
Minns
Kavagnah
Blair
Moss
Marsh
Donaldson
Addy
Salter
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Horne.
That's a good 13 in its self! Thank god for a big squad this year as never mind Peacock coming out of retirement, Phil Lowe would have been dusting his boots out!
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| Anyway, my team would be.
Butler-Fleming
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Clark
ZDC
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| Quote ="robinrovers10"Anyway, my team would be.
Butler-Fleming
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Abdul
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Clark
ZDC
Johnson
Clarkson
Cator
Lawler
Mulhern
Jubb
Milton
Cockayne'"
Nope. ZDC will be in the halves and Charlie at FB. Butler-Flemming on the wing and Disco Dave to miss out. Lawler and Jubb spelled at Hooker.
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| When did Butler-Fleming recover? Thought he was looking towards the rubbish eights?
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| Starting 17 just announced for Toulouse.
No Disco Dave or Harris from the 19.
Team - Cockayne, Oakes, Heffernan, Butler-Fleming, Shaw, Abdull, Docker-Clay, Clark, Milton, Johnson, Clarkson, Cator, Lawler.
Subs - Jubb, Moran, Mulhern and Wardill
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| I cant find the match on radio, FM, online & TV channel all FC any idea where our game is please.
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| Quote ="Beverley red"I cant find the match on radio, FM, online & TV channel all FC any idea where our game is please.'"
I'm listening on DAB.
Cannot create an opening by the sound of it.
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