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| Having let the dust settle after Sundays debacle I am still left feeling extremely downbeat, usually I would be agree with the " its only a friendly shout" but its the manner and scoreline of the 2 games which really worry me.
Everyone and anybody seems to see this teams failings, of which there are many but not the Coaching Staff?
The body language is awful and I sense the dressing room isn't harmonious.
We have stumped up a hell of a lot of cap on 3 injury prone players in Campese, Lunt and Kelly but failed to address the back row.
I hope I am wrong regards team spirit/morale, and hope these two friendlies can be erased from the memory before the real stuff starts in 12 days. RRTR
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| IMO we can finish top6 and maybe if every thing falls into place challenge top 4 on the other hand it could all go t.TS up and we finish around 8 the lol. IMO you will do OK but the rumour about campese is worrying for you guys as he is your general
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| This is all very nice & pleasant isn't it between fans.
I don't mind a bit of banter from Rovers fans, but if the FC board was full of these patronising posts saying "everything will be alright", putting a metaphorical arm around me with empathy filling their eyes, I couldn't take it
In an effort to get back to normalcy - most of your team are crap, your defence is crap, your coach is crap, your pre-season is crap, your season will be crap, Kelly's hair is crap and Dixon's dancing is crap. Enjoy your visits to Leigh & Odsal in August.
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| That's more like it. .
P.s. Hope your season turns to $hit.
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| hull have recruited well you seem to have not
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| fantastic powers of deduction there.
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| Quote ="Razor"hull have recruited well you seem to have not'"
What are you basing this nonsensical claim on?
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| Quote ="roversmad"What are you basing this nonsensical claim on?'"
Pritchard & Clarkson probably
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| Quote ="Doom&Gloom Merchant"Pritchard & Clarkson probably'"
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| Quote ="Razor"hull have recruited well you seem to have not'"
That's what the early signs would suggest.
A direct comparison is difficult, because Hull lost Paea, Lineham and Westerman they had more need and scope to get a few new high earners.
Rovers needs seemed more basic, but we didn't do a great job of addressing them. So for their respective needs, I'd have to agree. Perhaps we were distracted by the cup run or delayed by having to qualify for SL 2016. In the past the club has made a virtue of securing late signings at good prices when everybody else has committed their budget - but perhaps this year there were fewer options. There are still rumours of another signing, but as far as we know we're quota'd up I can't see any obvious options domestically.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg" Don't try and convince yourself that people brought up in the same streets, often in the same houses, have any different outlook on things'"
Obviously there's no intrinsic difference, but I think just in terms of rugby, experiences can shape attitudes. There are a few broad but fair generalisations that could be made about the fans that use this board, IMO - Hull fans [utypically[/u took more interest in their academy team in the last couple of years than Rovers fans did in theirs, for example. More than the first team, it felt like sometimes. There was a quip a while ago, from a Hull fan, about Rovers fans always living in the past, and Hull fans always living in the future that had some truth to it, i thought.
Something like focus on the academy is very much current circumstance, but stuff that runs a bit deeper - a prolonged period out of the top flight or a run of disappointing seasons or a particular consolation to cling to, I think inevitably influences perspectives.
Again, speaking generally I found fans of City and United often lived up to their stereotypes when I lived in Manchester. Certainly not always, and I'll have been biased by what I expected to see, but it was there.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Their ground and their fans are also crap'"
Where as I like Hull City's ground
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"Where as I like Hull City's ground
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It's just the tenants that stink.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"That's what the early signs would suggest.
A direct comparison is difficult, because Hull lost Paea, Lineham and Westerman they had more need and scope to get a few new high earners.
Rovers needs seemed more basic, but we didn't do a great job of addressing them. So for their respective needs, I'd have to agree. Perhaps we were distracted by the cup run or delayed by having to qualify for SL 2016. In the past the club has made a virtue of securing late signings at good prices when everybody else has committed their budget - but perhaps this year there were fewer options. There are still rumours of another signing, but as far as we know we're quota'd up I can't see any obvious options domestically.'"
You didn't really lose any players at the end of last season who would have freed up much cap though which is presumably hy you've gone for cheap options. Hull had a big wedge available with the players who left
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| Quote ="Razor"hull have recruited well you seem to have not'"
I still think that's up for debate after a few rounds, As I have said Hull have gone for bulk which in a 10 minute stints will go ok, once the season starts and these players have to play long stints then we will see if this was a wise option. If the reduction in interchanges comes about next year it will be even more telling.
I personally think Hull have only replaced like for like, strengthened areas they were already strong and potentially weakened the strike ability.
I've wiped the preseason out and am now willing to see how the team goes in a real game situation.
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| Quote ="barham red"I still think that's up for debate after a few rounds, As I have said Hull have gone for bulk which in a 10 minute stints will go ok, once the season starts and these players have to play long stints then we will see if this was a wise option. If the reduction in interchanges comes about next year it will be even more telling.
I personally think Hull have only replaced like for like, strengthened areas they were already strong and potentially weakened the strike ability.
I've wiped the preseason out and am now willing to see how the team goes in a real game situation.'"
I don't think Hull have gone for bulk. manu is lighter than westerman, fonua is lighter than lineham and taylor is lighter than paea. Manu and taylor can both do long minutes and pritchard regularly did the full 80 last season in the NRL so I don't think there's any issue with fitness. What they have done is added a bit more quality and experience and got rid or a couple of players who didn't really have the right approach.
If you really think that rovers have improved their squad enough to improve their league position then good for you
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| "As I have said Hull have gone for bulk which in a 10 minute stints will go ok, once the season starts and these players have to play long stints then we will see if this was a wise option" ......Yes, but that bulk gave Hull an over-whelming and match winning score advantage in a 10 minute stint, it deflated the opposition (us) and boosted their morale (it took the stress off their backs and made them feel confident) .....And, let's face it, scoring tries is what the game is all about ......Honestly, would you rather have Hull's pack or Rover's pack at this moment in time?
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| Quote ="Geoff Tipps""As I have said Hull have gone for bulk which in a 10 minute stints will go ok, once the season starts and these players have to play long stints then we will see if this was a wise option" ......Yes, but that bulk gave Hull an over-whelming and match winning score advantage in a 10 minute stint, it deflated the opposition (us) and boosted their morale (it took the stress off their backs and made them feel confident) .....And, let's face it, scoring tries is what the game is all about ......Honestly, would you rather have Hull's pack or Rover's pack at this moment in time?'"
He'd rather have rovers' obviously as ours will be knackered before the first round of interchanges start.
Honestly, some people seem to believe everything that your board members say
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| To be fair, I'd take Hemel Hempsteads pack over ours at the moment.
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| Quote ="Geoff Tipps""As I have said Hull have gone for bulk which in a 10 minute stints will go ok, once the season starts and these players have to play long stints then we will see if this was a wise option" ......Yes, but that bulk gave Hull an over-whelming and match winning score advantage in a 10 minute stint, it deflated the opposition (us) and boosted their morale (it took the stress off their backs and made them feel confident) .....And, let's face it, scoring tries is what the game is all about ......Honestly, would you rather have Hull's pack or Rover's pack at this moment in time?'"
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Not denying our pack looks weak but the way some are talking is that hull have suddenly gone from scraping the 8 to being grand final material based on a pre season friendly.
It's far too early to start handing out trophies and relegation places before s game has been played in anger. Let's see where everyone is in April before making any big decisions.
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| I agree regarding all the preseason hype, but the question was which pack would YOU prefer at this moment in time .....Hull FC's or Hull KR's?
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| Quote ="Geoff Tipps"I agree regarding all the preseason hype, but the question was which pack would YOU prefer at this moment in time .....Hull FC's or Hull KR's?'"
Didn't realise we had a choice? I'd prefer St Helens pack if we had an open choice.
Its all about balance, we can all pick the best parts of any team at any particular time but thats not how it works. Am I happy with the way our squad seems to be? No. Do I think we'll be up there challengine? No But I also think we'll be better than we have shown in preseason over the course of the year.
Put it this way I'm not about to go place a bet on us finishing bottom or Hull finishing top on the back of a crap preseason. I may go out and place one on us both finishing between 7th and 10th and don't expect to be far wrong come the end of the season.
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| So we could finish 5 the and you 12th and you wouldn't be far wrong
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