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| Quote ="Roofs"Couldn't agree more. IMO it's another reason to let Morgan go, because his blatant favouritism such as this is having a very detrimental affect on the team and consequently results. No room for it in what is supposed to be a professional set-up.'"
Spot on if your face fits your ok,if not your banished to the reserves no matter what you do.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"Exactly how has Webster been 'very good'?
Our defence out wide has been nothing short of woeful, He has scored only 4 tries in 12 league games and only created 3, He went missing (Not for the first time) against Wigan before he went of injured.
Now campare that to Welham (Yes I know we are a right to left team).
Defence has been no better (He has missed more though but you have to actually lay a hand on the man to miss him) but he has scored 15 in 15 league games created only 1, He doesn't look like he has been in a car crash everytime he is in any kind of contact though.
Craig Hall has played half as many games as Webster but is only behind him by 1 on both tries scored and created.
Say what you want but Craig Hall has been given the messy end of the stick and Webster will play no matter what.'"
With Hall in the team we won 1 and lost 5 in SL. Without him we are a slightly more acceptable 4 & 5. He's just one member of a team and individual stats may be a fairer way to judge a player, but results are the only important stat. Not saying he shouldn't be given another shot, but tbh if it were my job on the line I'd currently go with Welham and Webster in the centres.
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| Quote ="Roofs"Couldn't agree more. IMO it's another reason to let Morgan go, because his blatant favouritism such as this is having a very detrimental affect on the team and consequently results. No room for it in what is supposed to be a professional set-up.'"
Could you cite some examples of this blatant favouritism? It's just that I'm not seeing it. Why would Morgan pick inferior players when his livelihood is on the line? The only person he'd be punishing is himself - if he is that petty and stupid, then he must be one hell of a coach in other respects!
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"Could you cite some examples of this blatant favouritism? It's just that I'm not seeing it. Why would Morgan pick inferior players when his livelihood is on the line? The only person he'd be punishing is himself - if he is that petty and stupid, then he must be one hell of a coach in other respects!'"
1. Webster been guaranteed a starting 13 spot as long as he's fit
2. Colbon always playing whenever fit, regardless of performances
3. The likes of Clinton Vella, Newton and Galea been guaranteed places even when out of form
Morgan's livelihood is not on the line IMO - he will never be sacked. What other explanation can there be apart from favouritism for Hall never getting a look in? He's a class act who could greatly help change our horrendous way of playing at the moment. I can't remember the last time it was so =#FF0000Edit-RW boring watching Hull KR play. Webster is just not upto playing full games in SL anymore IMO, Hall I feel is.
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| the only way well know if Craig Hall is worth giving a chance to, is to give him that chance and see what he can do, SIMPLES.....
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| Quote ="tonylRobin"the only way well know if Craig Hall is worth giving a chance to, is to give him that chance and see what he can do, SIMPLES.....'"
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| Although I don't think Webster has been all that bad, (he had a very good game against Bradford) it does make you wonder what he has to do to get a game.
I's becoming a similar scenario to when Mike Ratu came from Leeds, sign a young promising player whose not been getting game time and come to the end of their contract, sign them up and then don't play them.
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| Hall did well earlier in the season and was unlucky to be dropped, hopefully he will get another chance to shine.
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| Quote ="Roofs"1. Webster been guaranteed a starting 13 spot as long as he's fit
2. Colbon always playing whenever fit, regardless of performances
3. The likes of Clinton Vella, Newton and Galea been guaranteed places even when out of form
Morgan's livelihood is not on the line IMO - he will never be sacked. [uWhat other explanation can there be apart from favouritism for Hall never getting a look in?[/u He's a class act who could greatly help change our horrendous way of playing at the moment. I can't remember the last time it was so =#FF0000Edit-RW boring watching Hull KR play.
Webster is just not upto playing full games in SL anymore IMO, Hall I feel is.'"
While I've occasionally been surprised and even disappointed by my Morgan's selections, I never thought his opinion differing from mine required a conspiracy theory. I'd [ureally[/u love to see Hall flourish at Rovers, but he got half a dozen games and... did okay. Not bad, but no better than that. The idea that he is indisputably superior to Webster and that therefore you have compelling evidence of favouritism is a bit weak. What you have is compelling evidence that you and JM disagree - you might even be right and JM wrong, but that you want Rovers to win, while his main focus is keeping Webster sweet or gaining revenge against Hall for some real or imagined slight is fanciful IMO.
Colbon - not been as good as in his first season and a bit, but the alternatives are not unarguably better. Cockayne, Latus, Hall, with all due respect are hardly Offiah or Vainikolo in their primes.
Vella, Galea and Newton have been among our best and most consistent players of the SL era! Clinton was dropped earlier on this year, wasn't he?
Quote ="tonylRobin"the only way well know if Craig Hall is worth giving a chance to, is to give him that chance and see what he can do, SIMPLES.....'"
He had a chance, and I'm sure he'll get another - when the coaching staff believe he is the best available option, I'd hope and assume.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"While I've occasionally been surprised and even disappointed by my Morgan's selections, I never thought his opinion differing from mine required a conspiracy theory. I'd [ureally[/u love to see Hall flourish at Rovers, but he got half a dozen games and... did okay. Not bad, but no better than that. The idea that he is indisputably superior to Webster and that therefore you have compelling evidence of favouritism is a bit weak. What you have is compelling evidence that you and JM disagree - you might even be right and JM wrong, but that you want Rovers to win, while his main focus is keeping Webster sweet or gaining revenge against Hall for some real or imagined slight is fanciful IMO.
Colbon - not been as good as in his first season and a bit, but the alternatives are not unarguably better. Cockayne, Latus, Hall, with all due respect are hardly Offiah or Vainikolo in their primes.
Vella, Galea and Newton have been among our best and most consistent players of the SL era! Clinton was dropped earlier on this year, wasn't he?
He had a chance, and I'm sure he'll get another - when the coaching staff believe he is the best available option, I'd hope and assume.'"
For the Salford away league match, Morgan managed to accomodate both Webster and Hall by playing Webster on the wing. It didnt work on the night for varying reasons but i would argue that given our obvious problems on the wing this season, and the fact that Webster has played international rugby on the wing, that it was an option worth perservering in.
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| Quote ="R.B.A"For the Salford away league match, Morgan managed to accomodate both Webster and Hall by playing Webster on the wing. =#FF0000It didnt work on the night for varying reasons but i would argue that given our obvious problems on the wing this season, and the fact that Webster has played international rugby on the wing, that it was an option worth perservering in.'"
You have a point, Morgan gave Webster a decent run at 6 before he decided it wasn't a good move, maybe he should have give it more time.
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| Quote ="R.B.A"For the Salford away league match, Morgan managed to accomodate both Webster and Hall by playing Webster on the wing. It didnt work on the night for varying reasons but i would argue that given our obvious problems on the wing this season, and the fact that Webster has played international rugby on the wing, that it was an option worth perservering in.'"
I think Webster might have to slim down a touch maybe, but that wouldn't be a bad option. I don't think Hall runs that well out of dummy half on clearing the line sets, but maybe he could also do a job on the wing, where his height might be good for cross-field kicks? You'd maybe worry about him being bombed, with his supposedly brittle confidence, but not much more so than the others tbh. Your first suggestion is better though.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"I think Webster might have to slim down a touch maybe, but that wouldn't be a bad option. I don't think Hall runs that well out of dummy half on clearing the line sets, but maybe he could also do a job on the wing, where his height might be good for cross-field kicks? You'd maybe worry about him being bombed, with his supposedly brittle confidence, but not much more so than the others tbh. Your first suggestion is better though.'"
With regards our threequarters clearing our line, i really think that it is something we have gone overboard on. I have seen sets this season when our forwards havnt even touched the ball. It wouldnt concern me to see a couple of our threequarters never coming in-field to hit the ball up if it meant some of our forwards upped their work-rate.
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| Quote ="R.B.A"For the Salford away league match, Morgan managed to accomodate both Webster and Hall by playing Webster on the wing. It didnt work on the night for varying reasons but i would argue that given our obvious problems on the wing this season, and the fact that Webster has played international rugby on the wing, that it was an option worth perservering in.'"
Agree with that. Also worth noting that Hally was easily Rovers best player that night, thought admittedly the other 16 were cack.
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| Quote ="R.B.A"With regards our threequarters clearing our line, i really think that it is something we have gone overboard on. I have seen sets this season when our forwards havnt even touched the ball. It wouldnt concern me to see a couple of our threequarters never coming in-field to hit the ball up if it meant some of our forwards upped their work-rate.'"
Agree with that, it's almost as if the praise that Morgan got for this tactic working very well against Wire in 2006 is still ringing in his ears.
I also agree on the Webster on the wing point, Hall has got reasonable hands and Webster could be a really destructive force out there.
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| Was talking to a couple of Sharks fans before the KC Derby deafeat they could not understand why Latus was picked on the wing before Craig Hall ?
Latus who had previously been playing in the pack was taken apart by Whiting were Latus was outjumped everytime at the high ball .
Resulting in Latus getting dropped for Colbon who plays with no confidence watsoever and gets injured again .Then Morgan goes to press in the Hull Daily Mail to say 'we told Craig to go away and work on a few things in his game '
Well bring it on Sunday were all shall be revealed if Morgan has the balls to and the belief in a East Hull born kid who his desprate to play against his old team .
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| Hall is awful on the wing.
If he plays instead of Webster this week, Yeaman will give him a hard time in attack, but Hall footwork and pace could catch Yeaman out if he goes for a big hit, could be an interesting battle.
I expect Morgan to not play Hall at centre if Hall is out but instead use Cockayne or Cook. Will have to wait and see.
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| Not sure why but some people's opinions of Hally are the polar opposite of how he was percieved at FC before he left, Hall seemed to become a scapegoat to some FC yet some on here are holding him up as if he's Greg Ingliss and we're not playing him. In reality he's neither, I'm sure he'll do a good job when needed but in the games we lost earlier in the season he looked a bit shakey when it started to go a bit wrong. Postionally in defence he looked unsure and this seemed to coincide with Fox's massive dip in form. With Webster playing we look more solid, still positionally not great but better and Webster is far better under a high ball crossed to that side.
I'd love to see Craig up a gear and really tear that side up as I think he could progress and have a season like Welham is having, but I wonder how many are letting his Dad and getting one over on FC cloud there judgement of how good he is / how bad Webster is.
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| Quote ="Dave K."
I expect Morgan to not play Hall at centre if Hall is out but instead use Cockayne or Cook. Will have to wait and see.'"
Yes, good point. I too think that Morgan won't play Hall at centre if Hall is out.
We won't play Cook at centre, he hasn't played centre for about four years.
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| Quote ="pmh"Yes, good point. I too think that Morgan won't play Hall at centre if Hall is out.
We won't play Cook at centre, he hasn't played centre for about four years.'"
Have we got two halls and have we had cook for four years
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| Quote ="pmh"Yes, good point. I too think that Morgan won't play Hall at centre if Hall is out.
We won't play Cook at centre, he hasn't played centre for about four years.'"
Webster I meant
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| Quote ="Dave K."icon_lol.gif Webster I meant
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I know, I'm just a smart ar5e.
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| Sounded like he went well today. What do those who went think?
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| Missed Yeaman for the first try and came shooting out a couple of times missing. You could see he was annoyed with himself for doing it.
Ball in hand, ran very strongly and looked dangerous.
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| He was unlucky not to take that kick in and score, was it yeaman or briscoe who stole it 1on1?
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