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| I think tansey is more scared to go into and make a tackle then craig hall is.
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| Quote ="raynor the crab"I would be disappointed to see Wheeldon go. As GML said, he had a great season last year and when called upon this year has been solid and reliable. I thought he was very good against Bradford and showed good pace for a prop when he made that break. I don't know why people say he's lightweight as he is at least 16 stone and hits as hard as any in SL.'"
I agree I'd like him to stay but I gather he's on quite a bit of money for a squad player we may have paid over the odds to get him in the first place, so I can't see him taking a pay cut to stay when he may have fielded better offers already.
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| Quote ="GraftonRed"No.
If you don't think he cost you the game why hang the kid out to dry.....it's the Thorman thing all over again.The kid has no confidence, he's going to make an error as soon as he's set foot on the field, you could see the pain on his face when he made the error because he knew what to expect from the terraces. Didn't Tansey fumble a bomb with no pressure on him and force a goal line drop out..... oh, he can't be critisised, he's the future England full back...'"
Where have I hung the kid out to try? I just stated that the coach being dismayed by his error was totally understandable. There's a little bit of difference in my mind between dropping a decent high bomb to not being able to pick up a drop out with no pressure. Tansey is probably afforded more leniency due to his positive contributions being much greater than that of Craig Hall.
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| Quote ="GraftonRed" the fans at the KC destroyed Thorman '"
Watching him play nearly destroyed me.
As for Hall,Rovers fans could be right,Morgan may turn him into a tackling machine,who knows.
Nothing against him personaly,but in my case, I would not be bothered if he stayed or went to be tuthful.
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| Quote ="GraftonRed"No.... but what i will say is you must have thought everbody else had a mistake free game as no one else has come under criticism... ie Tanseys massive blunder which was in everyway as bad as Halls, if not worse for a future Enland full back.
If you don't think he cost you the game why hang the kid out to dry.....it's the Thorman thing all over again.The kid has no confidence, he's going to make an error as soon as he's set foot on the field, you could see the pain on his face when he made the error because he knew what to expect from the terraces. Again, didn't Tansey fumble a bomb with no pressure on him and force a goal line drop out..... oh, he can't be critisised, he's the future England full back...
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It'd be a good idea to actually read posts correctly.
All the other posted said was that Agar understandably looked annoyed after that error. It was a shocking error and one that shouldn't be made by a professional. He's not blamed Hall for the loss atall.
Why are you mentioning Tansey? I'm sure Agar wasn't too impressed with that error either and you'll find plenty of Hull supporters criticising Tansey's ability (or lack of) under the high ball.
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| Quote ="Matty_HullFC"Where have I hung the kid out to try? I just stated that the coach being dismayed by his error was totally understandable. There's a little bit of difference in my mind between dropping a decent high bomb to not being able to pick up a drop out with no pressure. Tansey is probably afforded more leniency due to his positive contributions being much greater than that of Craig Hall.'"
............................Hall............Tansey
Appearances..........18................22
Tries....................09................07
Goals...................03................00
Tackles................116................81
Missed tackles........18................24
Errors...................14................36
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Yeh, i can see where your coming from!
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| back to topic. imo craig hall with a bit of confidence has the ability with ball in hand to score something out of nothing. not the strongest in defence tho. however without confidence, his knack for summat off the cuff and full length of the pitch tries is reduced to zero, and basic errors creep in and is a waste of time.
confidence players are always a gamble which can go either way
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| Quote ="GraftonRed"............................Hall............Tansey
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:1esohr1pYeh, i can see where your coming from![/
You can't say that about the future England full back
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| Quote ="GraftonRed"............................Hall............Tansey
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Yeh, i can see where your coming from!'"
Dont
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| I hope not.
I would take a half fit (majority of the time) Karl Pryce anyday over Hall.
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| i remember when kris welham was well known for his poor tackling maybe Agar just hasn't spent the time with hall to make him into a better defence player, i think Morgan would see it as a challenge and to also stick two fingers up to the dullers, i would welcome Craig Hall
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| Quote ="GraftonRed"............................Hall............Tansey
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Yeh, i can see where your coming from!'"
Stats don't tell the full picture especially when you only post half of them avaliable. How does Tansey's try assists, tackle busts and attacking kicks stack up to Hall's? If you think Craig Hall's contribution to Hull FC is greater than Jordan Tansey's then you need to watch a hell of a lot more of our games.
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Quote ="gingerspice"i remember when kris welham was well known for his poor tackling maybe Agar just hasn't spent the time with hall to make him into a better defence player, i think Morgan would see it as a challenge and to also stick two fingers up to the dullers, i would welcome Craig Hall'"
With 4 players in the top 11 for missed tackles it hardly seems Morgan is the expert in making players into top defenders...
superleague.co.uk/statistics_pla ... 10&hp2=263
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With 4 players in the top 11 for missed tackles it hardly seems Morgan is the expert in making players into top defenders...
superleague.co.uk/statistics_pla ... 10&hp2=263
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| Quote ="Matty_HullFC"How does Tansey's try assists stack up to Hall's?'"
Wingers are usually receiving assists rather than supplying them.
Quote ="Matty_HullFC"...tackle busts.....'"
Surely this can only be measured by how many times you've been tackled, IE, if he's been tackled 117 times then it's bad, if only 17 times then it's good.
Quote ="Matty_HullFC"...attacking kicks....'"
It's usually a wingers duty to recieve the ball and run the ball over the line, or to run onto "an attacking Kick" to score..
Thats why i didn't bother with those stats.
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Quote ="Matty_HullFC"If you think Craig Hall's contribution to Hull FC is greater than Jordan Tansey's then you need to watch a hell of a lot more of our games.'"
No thanks, i like to be entertained......... mind you, Friday..........
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| Quote ="GraftonRed"............................Hall............Tansey
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You do realise in Tansey's 22 appearances he played the full 80 and most of Craig Hall's have been cameos of half games? That said, Tansey's stats are shocking. Thank you for the pick-me-up!
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"Dont
[uIts like being cruel to a Puppy [/u
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Bit like your unkind words about Hall over the last couple of seasons, you know, when you thought he was never ever going to Rovers. I expect a few on here, you included, will be engaging reverse gear faster than a French tank if this comes off. Fortunately the quotabase is ready.
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Several years...and imo he is NL1 at best'"
Well maybe but I don't suppose your doubts are such that you'll refuse to buy a season pass if he stays!
Must admit Hall seems to get worse every time I see him, his confidence is probably rock bottom right now.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Bit like your unkind words about Hall over the last couple of seasons, you know, when you thought he was never ever going to Rovers. I expect a few on here, you included, will be engaging reverse gear faster than a French tank if this comes off. Fortunately the quotabase is ready.
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Fill your boots luv.
Your life obviously revolves around quotes that people make on RL Fans.
Who am i to deprive you of your one and only reason for existance.
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"Fill your boots luv.
Your life obviously revolves around quotes that people make on RL Fans.
Who am i to deprive you of your one and only reason for existance.
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Oh dear. This is a forum to share opinions on Hull KR, including potential KR players, and how people's opinion of players may change over time, perhaps coinciding with changes in their club. I wasn't aware that it was a forum to make unnecessary comments about people's personal lives, but if you want to open that door and set a precedent, I'll take that as an invitation.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Oh dear. This is a forum to share opinions on Hull KR, including potential KR players, and how people's opinion of players may change over time, perhaps coinciding with changes in their club. I wasn't aware that it was a forum to make unnecessary comments about people's personal lives, but if you want to open that door and set a precedent, I'll take that as an invitation.'"
Yeah whatever save the drama act.
You have previously bumped up comments i made about Yeaman in 2006 when he was excellent.
Then you have bumped up subsequent posts from seasons 2007 - 2010 when he has been distinctly average and you stand them side by side and say i change tack because he has never signed for Rovers.
Nothing to do with the fact he couldnt sustain the form he had in that season then ?
Bump up full topics rather then isolated quotes if thats what floats your boat as then the quotes are judged in the correct context and people can see when various quotes have been made.
Do you honestly think people care what you have saved on computer.
Come on.
The day to day adolesent behaviour of people on here is way down the list of whats important in my life.
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| Quote ="His Bobness"Well maybe but I don't suppose your doubts are such that you'll refuse to buy a season pass if he stays!
Must admit Hall seems to get worse every time I see him, his confidence is probably rock bottom right now.'"
I buy a season pass whoever we have
If and a big if Craig stays, I would hope he would get a dual contract and ply his trade in NL1 to see if he can develop his game (mostly defence) and gain some confidence. The best I saw him was when he returned from Widnes last year, however the problem there was the whole team were poor so it did not give a full reflection imo.
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"I buy a season pass whoever we have
If and a big if Craig stays, I would hope he would get a dual contract and ply his trade in NL1 to see if he can develop his game (mostly defence) and gain some confidence. The best I saw him was when he returned from Widnes last year, however the problem there was the whole team were poor so it did not give a full reflection imo.'"
Funny that you've been moaning all season on your forum that you won't waste your money
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"Yeah whatever save the drama act.
You have previously bumped up comments i made about Yeaman is 2006 when he was excellent.
Then you have bumped up subsequent posts from seasons 2007 - 2010 when he has been distinctly average and you stand them side by side and say i change tack because he has never signed for Rovers.
Nothing to do with the fact he couldnt sustain the form he had in that season then ?
Bump up full topics rather then isolated quotes if thats what floats your boat as then the quotes are judged [uin the correct context[/u and people can see when various quotes have been made.
Do you honestly think people care what you have saved on computer.
Come on.
The day to day adolesent behaviour of people on here is way down the list of whats important in my life.'"
You didn't rate Hall in the past and said Rovers never wanted him because he wasn't good enough. Since then he's stagnated at best. Would be most odd if your opinion of him has done a 180 in the "correct context" of your opinion of him not being good enough and having got worse, then. Still, it's all hypothetical. Isn't it?
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| If we have a shocking injury list like we have had this year then Hall is adequate cover providing he comes at the right price. He'd have to prove himself when given the chance
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| Always thought Craig would turn out to be 'the next big thing', but it just never happened, probably down to Agar and his classic coaching...Craig probably needs a fresh start and I hope who ever he goes to he steps up and proves the doubters wrong. Dont care who lads from Hull play for, i just want them to do well!
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