I've been to a few but I havent seen a player fighting with speccy's, trying to gouge out the eyes of other players or delivering knee's to the head.
I must have been unlucky I guess

A bit of Fela Kuti will always get you waddling.

Ocote Soul Sounds is the latest beauty.

I'm aware that nobody's interested in this thread because it's mainly me writing knackers, but I'm slightly perturbed that one of my favourite Tuscan producers has started using a Stelvin closure.

Now, I'm all in favour of New World's going with the Stelvin and indeed, I think that most diy wines should be, but it just feels a little wrong from an old Italian family.

what was the damage on the car then

Failed timing belt, bent valves, head gasket needs to be re engineered.

Garage is trying to get the manufacturer to do at an act of goodwill as it's only five months out of warranty and shouldn't have needed replacing for another fifteen thousand miles. If they won't it's going to be a rather expensive affair.

Exactly the same thing happened to my mates Toyota jeep it was going to cost him something stupid like 6 grand when it was only a few months out of warranty I think he ended up paying a fraction of it so good luck with that

There is no such thing as a 'Toyota jeep'. OK?

Those Dyson hoovers are ace aren't they?

Singer from Pavement is a hull city fan!

So, career, career, career...

No pink pugsleys or brown bombers this Saturday for me. Or for the last thousand or so. Or ever again. Wistful.

it's a big Toyota with a cab and then like a pick up back end you know what I mean I will get the chassis number if you want so we can narrow down what it is

If FTF's mate can't have a Toyota Jeep, then MR can't have a Dyson Hoover! But we all know what he means.

You wouldn't have a Land Rover mitsubishi, would you? Jeeps and Land Rovers are the originals and best. Referring to your cheap imitation wannabe as a 'jeep' is a bit cringy. In the same way that you wouldn't refer to your glass of Cava as Champagne. Or your double oven as your Aga.

Dyson hoover is, however, perfectly acceptable as Dyson is the superior product. And in the same way that people say sellotape, escalator and durex it doesn't matter because all these brand names describe everyday objects that are familiar and ever-present. Hoover's the same. Jeep isn't.

(Oh, God. Some daft bint on Come Dine With Me has just offered her guests 'Champagne' and then proceeded to give them Prosecco.)

What about Cornish pasties?

Very nice indeed. Yum.

But is it a Cornish Pasty when not made and sold in Cornwall? The Cornish say not.

It's like Lincolnshire sausages. Lincolnshire butchers are trying to get their sausages Geographically Protected so they can only be called 'Lincolnshire sausages' if they're made in the county and to a certain recipe. They're still battling, although Melton Mowbray pork pies have this protection. Not sure about Cornish pasties.

Thing is, I'm not over keen on Melton Mowbray pork pies and have tasted glorious pies from many local shops. There's a sublime place in
Skipton and a fab butcher in Preston near Hull that does delectable ones with the fat all leaking out of the top and baked on, mmmmm. So you wouldn't aspire to a Melton Mowbray pork pie once you'd tasted a better one like you would a Range Rover if you had a Rav4.

So it's not about raping brand names per se, more like pretending to grandeur when you shouldn't. Like calling your Primani sheepskin boots 'Ugg boots'. Or your nasty block paved square in front of your house that used to be your front garden your 'drive'.

Cornish Pasties do have Geographical Protection.

The thing with pork pies (and it's not fat, it's a liquor that's poured in the top, that's what the little hole is for) is that in the midlands they use cured pork, that's why it's a grey colour as opposed to Yorkshire pork pies that have pink meat. We also tend to use a spicier recipe often involving quite a bit of white pepper and mace.

Didn't realise that. I find the grey pork pies vaguely off-putting, like they [iare[/i off, like the top bit of minced beef goes if you leave it out for too long. Spicy and pink, like a lot of other pleasures in life, every time. I think I might have a go at making some for Christmas. Do you know of a reliable recipe for dunces?

And we'll all go back to Oggy land, to Oggy land, to oggy land,
and we'll all go back to Oggy land

People still know what is meant by Jeep, in the same way they know a Hoover is describing a vacuum cleaner.

The Preston pork pies are nice I agree.

As for the conversation you are having I think it's down to lazyness. I mean using the recognised brand means you don't actually have to explain what it is or where it's from to get your point across.

I now live down south and you can not get a decent pork pie I used to love them from the shop in Preston, and the goose is right a bought the pasty my son lives in Cornwall and he once sent me a news clipping a bought it, you can not get Yorkshire cheese cake down here love them, last time we came to hull we brought back 6 and we gave some to our friends and they all said next time we go up bring some more

Back in the day if I asked my mam for kelloggs she would know I was referring to cornflakes . Is that the same thing ?

Well, sort of. In the OK sort of way, because everyone has Kelloggs.Although if you asked for Kelloggs in my house you'd get rice crispies. It's not cringeworthy to use brand names for things everyone has: hoover; aspirin; lino; roller blades etc.

It is very toe-curling indeed, however, when you use the brand name of a status symbol to describe your inferior wannabe substitute: 'Penthouse' when you happen to live on the top floor of your block of flats; 'Aga' to describe your range-style cooker; 'Chesterfield' to describe your button-backed sofa from dfs. It's just not quite the thing. Middle-class social climbing, urrgh.


Not really. It's much easier to say 'truck' instead of Toyota jeep. (Sorry, Frankie. I'm not picking on you. The 'jeep' thing just happens to be one of my raw nerves, like hearing people say 'preserves' when they mean jam like everyone else says.) I used to have a big Land Rover. He went to his rusty grave last year. Much as I loved it, it was always called 'the car'. In the same way the Renault Megane sitting outside now (next to next-door's (Mitsubishi) truck) is also referred to as 'the car'. Because they are, er, cars.

I think you are missing my point, I'm not saying you go for the shortest word but you use a known trademark to stop you having to explain what it is and or/what it does.

I think I'm not. In fact, using status brand names instead of the model or thing they actually are - as well as being snobbish - can actually cause more confusion (often that's the plan, to delude people into thinking their possession is grander than it is). To use Frankie's example yet again (sorry, Frankie, and no, I don't think you were attempting to be snobbish for one second, but it's such a good example), when he first said Toyota jeep, I conjured up in my head an image like this:


...but when he actually described the vehicle later on it was clear he meant something like this:


...a quite different beast. Toyota jeep caused more confusion and use of the Jeep trademark inferred something quite different. 'Toyota truck' would've conveyed his message much more succinctly.