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| Quote ="Martha Manu"Me neither if that was all there was to the situation......However he let himself and all the KR fans down and brought the club into disrepute at the business end of the season!! Hardly warrants thanks does it!'"
That's a choice of the individual.respect their right to do whatever they want in their own time and with their own money.if they want to separate Ben the player from Ben the guy who got himself into bother away from the field so be it and they probably saw it as a chance to say goodbye.
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| Quote ="barham red"Must admit i never felt the urge to support James Webster when he went to FC and he was a far greater player for us and a far better person.'"
Seconded. Those trying to lay legendary status on Cockayne are deluded.
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| Quote ="barham red"Must admit i never felt the urge to support James Webster when he went to FC and he was a far greater player for us and a far better person.'"
But that's understandable
I went to watch Gareth Morton and Byron Ford at Oldham and then Gareth at Donny, Andy Ellis at Barrow, Iain Morrison at Widnes who were playing Halifax featuring Jon Goddard and Ian Hardman, just happen to like to see our ex-players play and love the atmosphere at NL/championship games.
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"That's a choice of the individual.respect their right to do whatever they want in their own time and with their own money.if they want to separate Ben the player from Ben the guy who got himself into bother away from the field so be it =#000040and they probably saw it as a chance to say goodbye.'"
Deary me.
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"That's a choice of the individual.respect their right to do whatever they want in their own time and with their own money.if they want to separate Ben the player from Ben the guy who got himself into bother away from the field so be it and they probably saw it as a chance to say goodbye.'"
For a second there I was going to edit the last word to sod off. But your a mod so slapped my own hand.
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| Quote ="blakeysrobin"Seconded. Those trying to lay legendary status on Cockayne are deluded.'"
Each to their own, if those people chose to be there for whatever reason then that's fine by me, don't see why it would concern you or anyone else.
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"That's a choice of the individual.respect their right to do whatever they want in their own time and with their own money[u.if they want to separate Ben the player from Ben the guy who got himself into bother away from the field [/uso be it and they probably saw it as a chance to say goodbye.'"
Maybe Nick Griffins family argue he is different at work to what he is at home and we should all respect that 'eh
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| Quote ="RoversTrace"Each to their own, if those people chose to be there for whatever reason then that's fine by me, don't see why it would concern you or anyone else.'"
he could have a thousand there for me. Never be a legend and always a footnote for me.
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| Quote ="Martha Manu"icon_lol.gif
Maybe Nick Griffins family argue he is different at work to what he is at home and we should all respect that 'eh
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We know your veiws on racism, please dont bring them to every thread its getting boring.
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| Quote ="Martha Manu"icon_lol.gif
Maybe Nick Griffins family argue he is different at work to what he is at home and we should all respect that 'eh
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On that theme then perhaps you should change your username from a player with a conviction for assault against him
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| Quote ="blakeysrobin"We know your veiws on racism, please dont bring them to every thread its getting boring.'"
Boring they maybe, however he is a racist and not a KR legend.
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| Ben will acknowledge the support and will be the first over at the final whistle to applaud them, Ironic that a wire and pie fan are the first two posters showing disgust whilst both fully supporting Ben Westwood and Gareth Hock respectively.
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"On that theme then perhaps you should change your username from a player with a conviction for assault against him'"
Very very poor attempt that...Manu like most made a mistake (he carried out the assault on his own for the record ) and appears to have learnt from it and moved on...nor to my knowledge is he a racist!
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Very very poor attempt that...Manu like most made a mistake (he carried out the assault on his own for the record
) and appears to have learnt from it and moved on...nor to my knowledge is he a racist!'"
Poor attempt at what?
Just stated a fact and at the end of the day assault is assault whether carried out by 1 person or 10 and Cockayne was found guilty of that crime as many times as Manu but you don't raise that when repeating it many times concerning Ben on this forum.
As the point I am making seems to have gone over your head I will repeat it.
People have a choice to support Ben Cockayne if they wish and if your view of that differs it doesn't nessercery make yours right.
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"Poor attempt at what?
Just stated a fact and at the end of the day assault is assault whether carried out by 1 person or 10 and Cockayne was found guilty of that crime as many times as Manu but you don't raise that when repeating it many times concerning Ben on this forum.
As the point I am making seems to have gone over your head I will repeat it.
People have a choice to support Ben Cockayne if they wish and if your view of that differs it doesn't nessercery make yours right.'"
Manu did not nearly kick a man to death whilst his mate held him down!.....I could push some-one in the street and be charged with assault, surely even you must know there are different levels
Players make mistakes (eg: Liam Watts), I do not wade in and condemn them all, I actually believe in second chances and rehabilitation..there are only 2 players who I have thought should be binned, Raynor & Cockayne!
I have never at any point claimed my points are right...I join a debate/argument with my points and views, and counteract points when I feel it is appropriate. This is a forum and every time each of us posts we then leave ourselves open to agreement/disagreement/debate that is what it is all about. However there are occasions when facts are facts!
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| Quote ="Martha Manu"Manu did not nearly kick a man to death whilst his mate held him down!.....I could push some-one in the street and be charged with assault, surely even you must know there are different levels
Players make mistakes (eg: Liam Watts), I do not wade in and condemn them all, I actually believe in second chances and rehabilitation..there are only 2 players who I have thought should be binned, Raynor & Cockayne!
I have never at any point claimed my points are right...I join a debate/argument with my points and views, and counteract points when I feel it is appropriate. This is a forum and every time each of us posts we then leave ourselves open to agreement/disagreement/debate that is what it is all about. However there are occasions when facts are facts!'"
Surely you should now add Gleeson to that list?
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| Quote ="joburg"Surely you should now add Gleeson to that list?'"
The betting scandal was a few years ago, tbf he appears to have got on with his rugby since then, I am not sure why he left Wigan as no statements gave any reasons, and no criminal act has been made public.
Are you suggesting Gleeson is a racist ?
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| Quote ="Martha Manu"[uThe betting scandal was a few years ago[/u, tbf he appears to have got on with his rugby since then, I am not sure why he left Wigan as no statements gave any reasons, and no criminal act has been made public.'"
So was Charlie's charge for assault, doesn't stop you bringing it up.
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| Quote ="joburg"Surely you should now add Gleeson to that list?'"
Why?
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| Quote ="dum-dum"So was Charlie's charge for assault, doesn't stop you bringing it up.'"
I never GML did, he attempted to compare Cockayne to Manu
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| Quote ="joburg"Surely you should now add Gleeson to that list?'"
Ssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!
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| Quote ="Martha Manu"I never GML did, he attempted to compare Cockayne to Manu'"
They both have a conviction for assault and Manu's wasn't for pushing somebody in the street.
Whether Cockaynes was more violent or not they both have an assault conviction against their names.
Or do we split hairs and say that somebody just over the drink drive limit is less guilty than a person having 10 pints and getting behind the wheel of a car
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| Just thought I'd pop a quick thanks on to the Rovers fans that came over to Batley to cheer on Ben, really was appreciated.
We have Sheffield at home next Thursday evening 7:30, feel free to come down, you'll be more than welcome.
Thank You.
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| anyway, how did he get on tonight and where did they play him? at work so haven't seen the game.
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| Sandy,
Ben played on the wing and was steady away, really impressed with his work ethic, especially around the dummy half position.
In defence, I can't remember him missing a tackle.
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