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| Quote ="MrPhilb"He'll be well into his 34th year by the time he makes his Hull FC debut, While a good player in the Saints side it will remain to be seen what effect he can have on the Hull side'"
I think he will have a good effect and if we can get one really good year out of him than I will be happy, his fitness record is pretty good recentley.
Just the type of player we need and i doubt that a better Scrum half becomes available for next season and if they did Wigan and Warrington will also be after them and we would have to pap well over ths odds for them.
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| Well he's gotta be better than Thorman..........
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| Quote ="barton baird"Is that a punt?
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Nearly.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Not sure what is so funny about signing one of the best Scrum halfs in SL?'"
It's funny because the said Hull fan was jubilant, over the moon in fact that his club had signed Sean Long, yet I can see that he is an over aged, no doubt over paid player who has been snapped up by Hull in a panic driven recruitment drive. Add him to a long list of similar players because let's be fair, the club you follow does make a habit of signing such players.
He is an improvement on Thorman, that I have no doubt, he is british which is also a bonus, but a decent signing all round at this stage of his career, no.
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| Quote ="CHURCHILL"It's funny because the said Hull fan was jubilant, over the moon in fact that his club had signed Sean Long, yet I can see that he is an over aged, no doubt over paid player who has been snapped up by Hull in a panic driven recruitment drive. Add him to a long list of similar players because let's be fair, the club you follow does make a habit of signing such players.
He is an improvement on Thorman, that I have no doubt, he is british which is also a bonus, but a decent signing all round at this stage of his career, no.'"
My dog playing would be an improvement on Thorman.
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| Quote ="CHURCHILL"It's funny because the said Hull fan was jubilant, over the moon in fact that his club had signed Sean Long, yet I can see that he is an over aged, no doubt over paid player who has been snapped up by Hull in a panic driven recruitment drive. Add him to a long list of similar players because let's be fair, the club you follow does make a habit of signing such players.
He is an improvement on Thorman, that I have no doubt, he is british which is also a bonus, but a decent signing all round at this stage of his career, no.'"
Decent He is better than decent, he is a very good player still and proves in most weeks at Saints, he would be the first choice SH at every SL club baring Rovers and Leeds now.
I think i will take Potters and the Saints fans who watch him every week over yours.
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| Quote ="Dave K."
I think i will take Potters and the Saints fans who watch him every week over yours.'"
You mean the same Saints fans who are glad to see the back of him?
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| Quote ="Dave K."Decent
He is better than decent, he is a very good player still and proves in most weeks at Saints, he would be the first choice SH at every SL club baring Rovers and Leeds now.
I think i will take Potters and the Saints fans who watch him every week over yours.'"
As you wish, it's all about opinions I guess and with the season you're having I suppose a dug up Thora Hird would be a welcome addition at scrum half.
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| Quote ="MrPhilb"You mean the same Saints fans who are glad to see the back of him?'"
I'd go on their board and read the thread again.
Most wanted them to stay (for one year though).
Most have said he is still one of the best halfbacks in the league.
Some think it's time for him to move on, guess we will find out next season who is right.
Who would have thought a NRL reserve grade player like Dobson would do so well for Rovers.
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| Quote ="MrPhilb"You mean the same Saints fans who are glad to see the back of him?'"
Just read the posts about Long on their forum.Which one are you reading?
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| Quote ="barton baird"Just read the posts about Long on their forum.Which one are you reading?
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Quote ="St pete"And....... What's the point??
He is old, his kicking is crap and we doing the rite thing letting him go.
With nobody at the level needed to step up it would have been ok if he did another year in which we could bed eastmond in.
Is that not common sense?'"
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| Quote ="MrPhilb"Oh yeah my mistake
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You must learn to read the full thread this bloke is a fool see below.
Saints board:
St pete wrote: It's going to be intresting who saints play scrum half next year. IMO wheeler has proved he can hold his own but eastmond has not had the game time to prove it.
Not sure if wheeler and eastmond would make good halfback partner for pryce.
We need a ball playing 7 who can move us round the pitch and control the game.
It's shame long didn't do 1 more year.
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St pete wrote: Sorry pal but his kicking is crap and so is his organising.
Hull have signed 2 OAPs for next year.
It's big risk but IMO saints did rite in letting long go.
A change of club may do him some good. He still better than what you got at moment though.
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| If you check the stats for Long from 2003 - 2008, it shows a clear steady decline.
As said, was decent once, but not anymore.
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| Quote ="CHURCHILL"If you check the stats for Long from 2003 - 2008, it shows a clear steady decline.
As said, was decent once, but not anymore.'"
Would you care to share these stats with me?
Ones that I have seen on the Superleague site show he has been a very good consistant performer for saints over the past few years.
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| Go buy the shirt and put his name on it Dave.
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| Quote ="CHURCHILL"icon_lol.gif Go buy the shirt and put his name on it Dave.'"
No thanks I'm not 7.
No stats then?
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| Quote ="Dave K."No thanks I'm not 7.
No stats then?'"
He spent 11 mins looking for them and when he realised there wasn't any he came back with the greatest line ever... "go buy a shirt and put his name on it"
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| Quote ="Dave K."No thanks I'm not 7.
No stats then?'"
The stats are the ones you're using and suggesting he's still a decent player, I'm saying they show a steady decline.
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| Quote ="TKOAH" he came back with the greatest line ever... "go buy a shirt and put his name on it"
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Thanks.
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| What I would say about Saints still wanting Long for another year is this;
If Saints really wanted to keep him then he would still be there next year. The reason they offered a one year deal, is that they knew he wouldn't accept it unless forced.
This was the best way for both the club and Long to save face. The club didn't seem to be throwing a legend on the scrap heap, and Long had a fall back offer if non suitable came along.
That said, I think this could be a very good signing for the darkside, but not in the way most of their supporters think.
He will be a massive improvment on what they currently have.
Yes, he IS a proven commodity and a game winner at the highest level in SL.
On the other side of the fence, FC do not have the players that could support Long and his style of play. Playing behind the saints pack is a totally different prospect to playing behind the current crap (opps crop) at FC.
When players get old the tend to have a slower recovery rate, and lets face it FC don't have the best record with injuries.
Worth a gamble though if you ask me, (I know you didn't) as they are very unlikely to sign anyone better in the forceable future.
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| Quote ="CHURCHILL"The stats are the ones you're using and suggesting he's still a decent player, I'm saying they show a steady decline.'"
Nobody is saying he is as good as he was 5 years ago, but he is still one of the best halfbacks in SL.
Better than most scrum halfs in SL.
We already look a lot stronger for next season.
I bet if you look at Lockyers stats over the past 10 years there has been a steady decline, but he would still be one of the best players in SL.
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| Quote ="HullRedRobin"
On the other side of the fence, FC do not have the players that support Long. Playing behind the saints pack is a totally different
prospect to playing behind the current crop at FC. '"
Good post, picked out the most important part.
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| Quote ="Dave K."icon_lol.gif Nobody is saying he is as good as he was 5 years ago, but he is still one of the best halfbacks in SL.
Better than most scrum halfs in SL.
We already look a lot stronger for next season.
I bet if you look at Lockyers stats over the past 10 years there has been a steady decline, but he would still be one of the best players in SL.'"
As said, we shall see, I'm also not suggesting the bloke is rubbish, he just isn't as good as some are suggesting anymore.
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| Quote ="Dave K."icon_lol.gif Nobody is saying he is as good as he was 5 years ago, but he is still one of the best halfbacks in SL.
Better than most scrum halfs in SL.
We already look a lot stronger for next season.
I bet if you look at Lockyers stats over the past 10 years there has been a steady decline, but he would still be one of the best players in SL.'"
Totally agree, as a short term move I think it's a good signing.
I for one wouldn't want rovers to sign Lockyers as he is not the type of player you can build a team around over the long term.
Long IS the best available ATM and if your board has spare cash then they could do far worse then him.
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| Quote ="Dave K."icon_lol.gif Nobody is saying he is as good as he was 5 years ago, but he is still one of the best halfbacks in SL.
Better than most scrum halfs in SL.
We already look a lot stronger for next season.
I bet if you look at Lockyers stats over the past 10 years there has been a steady decline, but he would still be one of the best players in SL.'"
EXACTLY!
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