Quote ="Easty"Indeed Kosh viewtopic.php?f=34&t=453477&hilit=craig+hall '" Errrr so from that thread what part of the criticism is unfair or indeed wrong? Could you also point out a single post that blames the defeat on Hall? Its complete bollox to suggest Hall was the victim of some sort of hate campaign. In fact their is even a neutral who posts on that thread who makes the same comments. He has had plenty of opportunites to prove himself and he just hasn't done it, people can make all the excuses they want but he has to take some responsibility aswell.

Quote ="Easty"Indeed Kosh viewtopic.php?f=34&t=453477&hilit=craig+hall '" Errrr so from that thread what part of the criticism is unfair or indeed wrong? Could you also point out a single post that blames the defeat on Hall? Its complete bollox to suggest Hall was the victim of some sort of hate campaign. In fact their is even a neutral who posts on that thread who makes the same comments. He has had plenty of opportunites to prove himself and he just hasn't done it, people can make all the excuses they want but he has to take some responsibility aswell.

You got all that from such a little post of mine. How sad.

Got all what? 3 Lines of text? You get worse

As opposed to my 2 words on the whole subject



94 words V's my 2 words

As a Saints fan who remembers seeing Hall take on, and tear Folau a new derrier in the academy series a few years back, i have to say i have been very dissapointed with his development.

He appears to have heeps of natural ability, but for some reason it hasnt been chanelled right.

Looking at the poor record in Hull of actually developing talent to their full potential, i think its more the coaching(or lack of) at Hull FC than the individual themselves.

I actually fear that Tom Briscoe will stagnate and become just another big lump on the wing, when he should become a world class player.

Hopefully Hull KR with a decent aussie coach at the reigns will be able to iron out Halls rough edges. If he does, then you will have potentially the best centre in Britain on your books.
Certainly i think he will benefit more from Hull KRs footballing philosophy, rather than the dour 5 drives and a kick, hope for the opposition to make a mistake Rugby employed by Agar.

100% agree.

Briscoe has bags of potential, but (colours aside) if he stays at Hull FC, he will become nothing but a good player, when he could easily become a world class player.

In my opinion, if he knows what is best for him, he will not be at Hull in 3 yrs time.

However, having heard him talk in a couple of interviews, he has a high opinion of himself already, so maybe he is willing to settle for where he is at now.

Briscoe made the right decision staying at Hull (I'm assuming he had other offers or would have had if he'd been free). He's still a boy and needs some stability to allow him to develop, he seems to do well in the FC set up and he's getting noticed as is seen from his england call ups. No doubt he'll make his mind up if he feels the environment is still good for him at the end of his current contract and make a decision then.

Hall for whatever reason hasn't come on as he looked like he should have, this may be to do with the set up at FC, the fact hes not had a settled starting position or maybe he's not good enough. No doubt we'll see in the next year or two. He's not going to be a starting 3 or 4 for us so anyone expecting him to come on a tear trees up may be disappointed. Ratu came with the potential Hall has and he's not set the world alight yet, maybe hes been unlucky with injuries but is he now cast aside.

I remember Scott Moore doing similar to the aussies and being described as the next big thing at SH for Saints. However it never happened and now he is a hooker, average one at that.

Not every player develops how people think they will.

What exactly is your point?

Oppps have I said too much?

What year was that Paul?

I can't remember, think him and Tommy Lee were in the same side too?

Yes

Eh? Scott Moore is far from average and I rate him higher than Houghton. Moore has England caps and is more versatile, can cover the halves and loose forward and is an all round better player. I'd have him at Rovers tomorrow if I could.

Tom Briscoe is a natural centre IMO and could do a job there for England in the future in that position so not sure why playing him on the wing his going to help him develop cos when you consider this is his 3rd season in the 1st team.

Like you say though maybe he's happy to lap up the attention being the "golden boy" of a team where the vast majority of the rest of the team and inept coaching staff get crucified by their fans on a regular basis.

Craig Hall will be far better as cover than Ratu and Latus in the backs. Neither done anything special, not even for the 20s, both lack genuine pace, which Hall has.

Tom Briscoe will become nothing but a good player?

That statement implies he's yet to become a good player. Can't wait unroll he does take this giant leap and becomes a "good player" he might even get international recognition then.

No it doesn't

Yes it does.

Tom Briscoe (this pains me to type) is the genuine article, who could possibly play NRL (if he has any sense to get away from Hull). There are not many backs in SL who are capable of making this step, but he is certainly up there.

No it bloody doesn't
Answer me a question can a man with a full head of hair BECOME bald.
Then answer me another question as a general consensus which is better having hair or not?
Pick through that and you will see how you are talking ballocks.

Yes, a man with a full head of hair can become bald, many men will testify.

The statement should have read "Briscoe will only remain a good player"

To say he will "only become" suggests he hasn't yet.

Nope in the same way a man with hair can 'become bald'.
So a very very good player overtime with poor coaching can 'become a good player'.
If the said poster really though the coaching was poor he could come to a conclusion that players at Hull generally go backwards which makes the comment become if he stays at hull he will 'only become a good player'.
Methinks you have taken a comment completly out of context.

Quite a few English backs could play nrl.

On the subject of Craig Hall I don't really blame Agar for releasing him. He's been at Hull a long time and Agar has obviously run out of patience. You've got to let players go to bring players in and Agar probably felt that if it was going to happen for Craig Hall it would have done by now.

Even so I think he is well worth giving a chance at Rovers.

I was going to say it is well worth taking a gamble on him but actually it's not much of a gamble at all. I can't imagine he will be in the top earners at Rovers so what's to lose?

If he doesn't produce the goods he'll be a fringe player on low wages who can be called on if needed. He wouldn't exactly be the first to have that status and every club has them.

On the other hand he could be a marvellous signing because we all know he has the talent. If so he'll be around for years to come long after Willie Mason has faded into memory. I really don't know if Craig Hall will achieve this or not but I do think his chances are better with a fresh start at Rovers.

You will probably be proved right.As pointed out countless times, his pace going forward is very good.If he can get his tackling sorted out there is no reason he should not be an asset for Rovers.