The bloke is obviously an idiot and you're well rid of him. Far better to have a player who may be less talented but who is dedicated to putting a shift in every week than one with lot's of talent who can't be assed. Disappointing for Hull if you get your half backs sorted as we really need that easy 6 points a season

I do not like to agree with you jake but you are right about Kelly what a joke he has turned out to be but were do you get your 6 points a season

the 100 thousand+ shortfall on your crowd receipts will be more damaging leigh will only bring 3 hundred if your lucky, all banter aside fc benefit enormously with rovers in superleague

The biggest benefit to each Hull club is the other. The rivalry and interest generated between the 2 clubs will add £’s to gates and merchandise sales. The best outcome for both teams would be both clubs finishing in the top positions and fighting it out in finals

Do they?

Because looking at the period before Rovers were in SL up to 2006, we were doing alright, then 2007-2015 we fluctuated between average and awful, with us only managing to turn that around this season.

Also, it's not really a £100k shortfall. I'm guessing you've assumed 5,000 travelling Robins (?), which is optimistic for starters, then you have to take into account our deal with the SMC taking a bite.


Ultimately we both compete for sponsorship, corporates, players at all ages, new fans etc in an extremely limited catchment area that we share. Of course, there may be a local builder for instance who sponsors the Robins, who'll never ever sponsor Hull, and visa versa, but in a broader context, we are competing on these fronts.

I also think Rovers entering SL caused us to lose focus somewhat. We had some massive games against Bradford & Leeds in 04-06, and had a great rivalry with Saints at the time. That all changed. We now had our old rival on our doorstep nicking our best players, we were thinking about the big derby games and dealing what it takes out of the players mentally & physically afterwards, salaries were inflated due to the existing threat of a player being able to go to Rovers pretty seamlessly.


All things considered, I don't think as a club Hull FC do benefit from Rovers being in SL, I don't think Rovers benefit from Hull being in SL either. It's great for the fans with the banter and the drama, we all look for the derbies on the calendar when the fixtures come out, and the 6 easy league points this season was a nice bonus.

it was far from 6 easy points at 20-0 down when my veins were bursting with anger

Our league finishes:

2004: 3rd
2005: 5th
2006: 2nd

2007: 4th
2008: 11th
2009: 12th
2010: 6th
2011: 8th
2012: 6th
2013: 6th
2014: 11th
2015: 7th

2016: 1st/2nd

That's more down to Agar, Gentle and co plus the players, than down to us being in SL. You could argue that without us you wouldn't have half the forwards you do in your team (that came from us originally).

Lets put it another way. Which is more profitable to Hull..having us or Salford in the league?

Regardless. This isn't really about Hull. If they're doing well, good for them. We need to focus on us right now to secure SL status and clear out some passengers in the team.

The same goes for all Super League clubs. You would take more to Warrington than Salford even though it is only down the road.

You bring more to the league than the other two clubs in the dogfight (and many would say Wakey too) so good luck.

I don't think it's as simple as saying "Rovers bring more
Fans to the KC and its therefore more profitable having them in the league", there are other factors to bare in mind as I wrote in my post, most of which are difficult to measure. The derby's are great though, even if there are too many.

I agree on Gentle and Agar having an effect, but I think Rovers had en effect too at the time. All in the past though hopefully.

You'll win this weekend IMO, and hope you do too.

We'd be miles better off without rovers in SL. More floating fans, the pick of the youth again, increased sponsorship from local businesses. As for the £100k we supposedly get? Let's be sensible - 4000 or so fans with a mix of adults and concessions, let's say average ticket price £18 which is £15 when you give the VAT man his share, half it for the SMC deal and you have about £30-35k. Worth having but not any major benefit when you consider what it costs us you being in SL

and to think I agreed with you in your last post not any more you twit

mr pearson will be glad your not working for his club you would get your usual 10k against leigh nearer 20k for a in form hull side in a derby does he give the 100k extra income to charity as for the pick of the youth most of the young players you have picked up over your superleague years were east hull lads and played for east hull youth teams relegation and misfinance caused us to have no pulling power to these lads so it was oblivion until the debts were paid back .we didn't sell our identity and name hence you benifited from us not being in superleague you sharks

personally would just love rovers to go down, BUT it is better for the town if we have 2 teams in SL and I believe it benefits hull fc,

Can someone please translate into English for me? Ta

As I said, purely from a business point of view, all things considered (not just the gate receipts), Rovers in SL doesn't benefit Hull FC. Rovers compete with us for the same finite resources in an area not exactly rich in those resources (players, new fans, corporates, sponsors). From that business point of view, they're better in the Championship and staying there.

And it's exactly the same the other way round.

As a fan, I want them in SL. It makes for a more interesting season.


As for the £100k gate receipts the bloke writing gibberish is going on about, that we'd lose if Rovers went down, it could be easily be made up by Hull's gates going up by around 400 on average, easily achievable. Even the Warrington game this weekend will be a good 5/6k above our average, there's a 100k right there - battling at the top of SL would far outweigh any loss from Rovers going down.

what a clown, rovers in superleague dosent benefit hull fc, you compete with the bigger budgeted clubs for players not just rovers who have a far lesser pot to spend as for new fans east is east and west is west thats how it will stay and so will the sponsors who will back a successful side

oh dear. go give your mouth a wipe and re-read what I'm writing. This isn't a go at Rovers.

To address your points:

- Competing for players - I obviously meant youngsters mainly, but it also applies for players currently at the clubs. A Hull player could move to Rovers much more easily than to say Warrington, where they may be put off by having to move home. The battling for players also inflates their wages, from youngsters all the way up, as well as backroom staff.

- Competing for new fans - if Rovers weren't in SL then it wouldn't be East or West would it, as evidenced by your crowds the last time you were outside SL. Also, Bransholme is a predominantly black n white area, always has been.

- Sponsors, you're right, they'd rather attach themselves to a better team/product, but we're still battling for that finite marketing budget. A firm could pay us £20k to be our collar sponsor, but if Rovers are wanting£20k to be main shirt sponsor, then they'll go with that as the audience is pretty much the same (RL fans), but they'd get it seen. No Rovers = no competition for that marketing £ pot.

I have wiped my mouth and still think you are a clown who makes it up as he goes along

I'm an FC fan and definitely do not want Rovers to go down.

Firstly, I love the Derbies, the rivalry and the history.
Secondly, it's good for the City of Hull if all our three teams (City too) are in their top leagues as it attracts more away fans, more tourism, more spend in the city etc
Finally, from a Hull perspective, an extra 8,000 fans that a Derby at the KC generates compared with a crowd of 10,000 v Huddersfield/Salford probably generates nearer £200k revenue pa when you include entrance, programmes etc.

When you bear in mind we will win £100k tomorrow night if we lift the LLS, then double that amount from a Derby each season is not to be sniffed at.

Good luck on Saturday and we'll see you on Good Friday.

Are you a maths teacher? Only your maths seems to be on a par with the idiot who teaches my son

great post pal same to you best team consistently all year hence you deserve the rewards

As per my other post, I don't agree.

Based upon a Derby generating a crowd of 18,000 v 10,000 (v other M8 opponent - not Leeds) then we immediately lose 8,000 fans per season which equates to 571 fans per game (based upon 14 guaranteed home games). So immediately our avearge crowd is down.

Increasing crowds is not 'easily' achievable. Tomorrow night's game is an exception. We have not played a match for the League title since 1983. That crowd is also being swelled because Warrington will bring an above average following to the KC than others would do for a league match (Rovers/Leeds excepted), in addition we also have the feel good factor from our Wembley win.

Hull's crowds have been in a slight, gradual decline for a few seasons despite Adam's constant efforts to maintain interest and attendance.

Yes, I'm sure this season's achievements will help increase our season tickets and attendances for next season. However, this average will be c571 higher if Rovers are also in the Super League.

That ain't gibberish, that's just maths.