Adam Pearson did

It'd take a fair bit of spending, but why not? Rhetorical question.

We actually have a decent foundation to build from in relative terms.

If Rovers are in the mire then there will be a lot more clubs in a bad way,If the 10K crowds that Hudgel said we need to break even for us is corect & a fair few other clubs will be gone as well then who will the big boys play? We need the derby match & I expect that our freinds accross the city use the extra funds it brings to pay a few staff. I would be very interested to find out how Leeds always make a profit (now they dont get money from the cricket) as it would be the model for our clubs.

More interesting reading in Hudgells programme notes too .

Even though their crowds are down a bit, like most others, they still often get over 15k to games. Plus they possibly own their stadium, iirc (which I might not). Only one team can win SL each year, which helps them and can clearly only be potentially emulated by one club at a time.

The North stand delay costing us in the region of £750K was a mixture of lost revenue from the stand and a lost upfront contract payment from brewers/caterers if im not mistaken(as i mostly am)

The constant supply of negative information is just softening you up for when NH and RC leave. They don't want to be cast as villains like the guys at Bulls etc
It's a bit like the Weapons of Mass destruction stories in Iraq before we invaded (made up to fool a world).

My money is on a joint venture with AP as in a Merger

Enough of your club, we are talking about Rovers here....

They won't fund us beyond this season (at least alone) - it is out in the open.



The Bulls were run into the ground and left with nowhere to go, their fans and the game at large misled. We know where we stand.

I'm not seeing any obvious paralells with WMD situation.

Could that be because it's a completely idiotic analogy?

Something doesn't add up here, Smith is pleading poverty but taking more new players on loan when you have Caro unutilised.

£750k upfront relating to a 12 month period represents £58k per match day. Catering profit margin of 10% would mean £580k income per match day just for the investment to wash its face, so every punter would need to spend £58 each every game. I'm blagging it, of course, but struggle to see Rovers attracting investment of this size to win a contract for pies and lager for 13 afternoons. In any case, if it were so certain, it would simply be deferred for a few months rather than lost altogether. I guess it will be part of the negotiation and an attractive carrot for the next owner to receive a golden hello of this size. The derby gate thing is small fry in this context. A sellout would yield max £47k.

It won't relate to a 12 month period. It is a cashflow issue rather than a per annum P&L deal. We're not pleading poverty, we're saying we want/need to structure the club differently after this year - one way or another. I know the internet is great for conspiracy theories, but when what is out there makes perfect rational sense, the 'as stated alternative' has to be the default. it is exactly what it looks like, imo.

The £750k loss on the delay in the north stand, is at best, an =#FF0000AUP 1.2, libel. I would love someone to prove how this is calculated.

At worst it is spin. From what I recollect, it was something like £250k in [iprojected[/i revenue and a large one-off lump sum for a (presumably long-term) brewery/catering deal. It is an estimate and it combines both a firm (and major) cashflow blow and a less solid, in terms of scale, loss of revenue.
I've given up on expecting any sort of rigour on these sorts of things - people can line numbers up to tell any story they like, so they do. Pick holes in it, if you wish (in moderation

) so long as you're aware it isn't just 'us' that does this.

Looking at the author is that surprising?

one answer ban the author please

......and perhaps your English teacher .

Spin? I imagine that this politicians version is alright then. Well providing people don't always believe spin (and yes it is not just you) then all is well with the world.

On the basis of spin, and the spin that noone from Rovers knew anything about the stand being blue, crooked, under provided with amenities etc et, I would imagine some of this spin money, will be spinning its way back into Rovers coffers?
When Rovers possibly spin into Adspinistration, what will happen to the loss? Maybe you could spin it as rugby related losses" or something like.

If you assumed you'd get the new stand half full every week and all these were incremental, that could be 1,300 punters @ average £150 = £195k. That's being generous in the current climate and with availability on the day in all stands currently. Let's "round up" to your £250k. The balance lump sum is therefore £500k, which you think is a long term upfront payment on a deal for beer and catering. Let's say, again generously, that it's a 5 year deal, so £100k a year. To get half a million quid up front now, including £100k in respect of 2017 would be staggering. What sort of catering company would have the money and risk hunger to do that, particularly given Rovers well-documented financial challenges? It seems both an astronomical cash amount for 13 dining occasions per annum (in a low margin sector), and also huge risk/generosity on the part of the caterers to be bankrolling Rovers in 2017 now. Long term sponsorships generally have annual instalments. The richness of this deal for Rovers appears immense, so presumably the fact it's delayed rather than lost altogether provides a good financial cushion for next year.

That lot took some working out
Have you worked out how much FC lose per game
every time they fall well short of the 14,500?
I reckon they are heading for a record loss this season
What do you think?

i bet you don't get 300 word response to that one 90 ,maybe a wagging finger for derailing.

I agree. You usual de-railing tactics I see, surprised you've not been warned.





As usual, faced with you and champion de-railment mod Mild Rover, it's left to me to get the thread back on track. Do you think it's incredible business for Rovers to have been banking a cheque for £100k in respect of 2017 pie sales this year?

As I say, you can line the numbers up however you like, papering over the gaps with assumptions and inference. My assumption is that if an independent assessment were made it might well give a different (lower) number, but from memory Hudgell defined that figure loosely, and the answer depends on how you frame or interpret the question.
So yeah, it can probably go alongside Pearson's comparison of your rent and Bradford's. or whatever it was. it doesn't mean, in either case, that there isn't arguably a valid point behind the (possibly) dodgy advocacy. Whatever the number, the delays to the North Stand have cost us (ie him), relative to if it had been on or closer to schedule.
But we are where we are. The simple equation is new money = good. No new money = bad. From our pov, obviously.

PS. You're a self-acknowledged troll, you don't get to decide where the rails or tracks are. Soz. Why haven't I got the finger wagging emoticon?

Why would that be? Because I don't capitalise the first letter of insignificant people's names?

My English teacher was ace, had an amazing rack on her

OK. But it's been referenced a lot, and again today by the Chief Exec? Must be well substantiated.

Obsessed derailer.


Bend over