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| Quote ="Dave K."I know you are Craig's biggest fan (and maybe even his dad), but the last paragraph is rubbish, some fans I agree do blame him for everything, I quite like him, when he came onto the scene he looked like the real deal and old type centre with great feet, pace and good hands, [uunfortunateley in 3 seasons and over 70 games he just hasn't done it, far too mnay errors in attack and defence. [/u
I still stand by the point that Hull's defence was better than Rovers last year (hull took some good beating also, Wigan x2 and Leeds), Rovers attack is far better than Hull's, nobofy cab argue with that and maybe Hall will flourish in a more attacking team. I hope when you play us next season you have Welham and Hall in the centres.'"
Agreed. But how many times in those 70+ games has he played in his best position?? He is a left sided player and his best position is left centre yet he has very rarely played there. Yeaman is often all at sea in defensively and this despite having played in the same position for over 6 years, yet receives little of no criticism for it. How different would his career have been had he been asked to play in 3 or 4 different positions at a crucial time in his development??
Also i would like to see Rovers have Welham and Hall in the centres when they play Hull. Both pplayers have pace and both know how to put their wingers away.
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| Quote ="rover49"Two seasons ago I would have paid him to leave, but he has really improved in his defence work and puts in some massive hits when defending his line. He isn't as quick as Hall, but I think his brain is quicker and he reads the game around our kick attack moves very well. You may relish Hall being our centre, but Welhams defence is now very good, which is maybe what Morgan is aiming to do with Hall, if he can get him defending like Welham does, he will be an asset to us with his pace and attacking skills.
I am still to be convinced about Hall, but he is here now and =#FF4000I am confident he will be receiving a far higher standard of coaching and conditioning at Rovers, so if he cannot do it here, he won't do it anywhere.'" Yeah, just like all the other players who have crossed the river and become world class under Morgan.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"You assume all Hall's errors are in defence, [uhe makes more with ball in hand tbh.[/u The amount of times he just switches off and drops an easy ball and throws a silly pass or takes the wrong option is numerous.
What Hall needs to do is to start taking some responsibility and start delivering, he might do that at Rover and he might not.'"
Yet Yeaman made twice as many errors last season.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Agreed. But how many times in those 70+ games has he played in his best position?? He is a left sided player and his best position is left centre yet he has very rarely played there. Yeaman is often all at sea in defensively and this despite having played in the same position for over 6 years, yet receives little of no criticism for it. How different would his career have been had he been asked to play in 3 or 4 different positions at a crucial time in his development??
Also i would like to see Rovers have Welham and Hall in the centres when they play Hull. Both pplayers have pace and both know how to put their wingers away.
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I take your point about positions, but as Paul M has said, wherever he plays he is making the same errors with ball in hand.
Yeaman has recieved plenty of critism from Hull fans the last 3 years, you haven't read our board if you think otherwise, Yeaman is a different type of player, but has been much better in attack and defence than Hall in the last few years.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Yet Yeaman made twice as many errors last season.'"
If you are going to use stats, use them properly.
He has made twice as many errors but had the ball 3 times more tha Hall.
So who makes the most errors per carries?
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| Quote ="Dave K."If you are going to use stats, use them properly.
He has made twice as many errors but had the ball 3 times more tha Hall.
So who makes the most errors per carries?'"
An error is an error irrespective of carries.
I would however expect better of a seasoned 'International' over a rookie constantly played out of position. But hey ho
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"An error is an error irrespective of carries.
I would however expect better of a seasoned 'International' over a rookie constantly played out of position. But hey ho
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Cause it is
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Nice try though
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| Quote ="Dave K."I take your point about positions, but as Paul M has said, wherever he plays he is making the same errors with ball in hand.
Yeaman has recieved plenty of critism from Hull fans the last 3 years, you haven't read our board if you think otherwise, Yeaman is a different type of player, but has been much better in attack and defence than Hall in the last few years.'"
I agree that Yeaman and Hall are different types of player and Yeaman suits Hull's rather conservative attacking style better than Craig, which makes his mistake ratio rather a concern inho.
So maybe this move will be suitable for all parties.
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| Welcome to Hull KR CH, best of luck.
Ratu has been on the fringes as it is - I wonder if it'd be best for HKR and player if he could find another club. It is likely to cost the HKR a few quid, but there is no point being 5th choice centre at this stage of his career and we can only have 17 non-club trained players in the top 25 earners.
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| Quote ="fcimp"Yeah, just like all the other players who have crossed the river and become world class under Morgan.
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Who mentioned anything about being world class, all I expect is for him to become better under superior coaching than he was at Hull, if he can improve his defence to a level similar to Welham, he will be a much better all round player, he has the assets in attack, he just needs to improve in defence and the balls he is prone to dropping (Cockayne was a nightmare with this, but now rarely drops a high ball since his technique was improved by the afore mentioned superior coaching).
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Yet Yeaman made twice as many errors last season.'"
Get the stats and context and then we can talk.
Hall has the ability but not sure he has the confidence or heart to fulfill it.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Get the stats and context and then we can talk.
Hall has the ability but[u not sure he has the confidence[/u or heart to fulfill it.'"
My only criticism of Craig is he tends to be a little over confident if anything.
Other than Briscoe though, Hally is the only back i would want in my team from Hulls current squad.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"My only criticism of Craig is he tends to be a little over confident if anything.
Other than Briscoe though, Hally is the only back i would want in my team from Hulls current squad.'"
One mistake and his chin hits the deck usually.
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| I thought Hall was around 25/26 mark, 22 though! Seems like he's been around for about 7-8 years!
Could this spell the end of another centre in Rovers' ranks, Ratu?
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| A good signing, now it's all official!
Now with a decent coach and conditioner, Hall's confidence on the pitch should improve, he never seemed to get a decent run of games at the KC, forever being switched around and having to fill in when someone was injured. I wish him luck and hope he enjoys his time at Hull Kingston Rovers.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"One mistake and his chin hits the deck usually.'" That may have something to do with his now former coach and fans attitude towards him.
You know one mistake and he thinks 'Oh f*** i'm gunna get slaughtered for that'.
If I knew that was coming after every little thing I did wrong it would put a huge slice of doubt in my mind as well.
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| We sure hes only 22? Says hes been on FC books for 9 years.... and im no accountant but that means he signed at 13...
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| Quote ="very red robin"We sure hes only 22? Says hes been on FC books for 9 years.... and im no accountant but that means he signed at 13...'"
Think he was on their scholarship so that would probably be about right.
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| Plenty of time yet then! Wonder if Morgs as got him for strengh indepth or he sees him as starting line-up
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| Quote ="Roverswall"That may have something to do with his now former coach and fans attitude towards him.
You know one mistake and he thinks 'Oh f*** i'm gunna get slaughtered for that'.
If I knew that was coming after every little thing I did wrong it would put a huge slice of doubt in my mind as well.'" Also lets not forget that all players are diffrent.
Some react best to a good bawling out after a mistake where as others need the big brother arm across the shoulders reaction.
Now if Craig needs the second reaction but he is getting the first one he is always going to go into his shell after getting bawled out.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"My only criticism of Craig is he tends to be a little over confident if anything..'"
You are kidding?
The amount of times that lad could have scored a try for us if he had only backed him self, or taken a high ball. Also if he does have a confidence knocking incident, it tends to effect him for the rest of the game.
The lad has got bags of raw talent. Perhaps under Morgan he can finally progress from been a nearly player - if so, you've got a cracking signing imo.
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| Quote ="Bal"[uYou are kidding? [/u
The amount of times that lad could have scored a try for us if he had only backed him self, or taken a high ball. Also if he does have a confidence knocking incident, it tends to effect him for the rest of the game.
The lad has got bags of raw talent. Perhaps under Morgan he can finally progress from been a nearly player - if so, you've got a cracking signing imo.'"
I'm talking about the times he may have taken a player on on the outside and got tackled into touch, or an over ambitious pass that hasn't reached its target. That kind of over confidence is something that has happened quite a lot.
As for his confidence being knocked see Roverswall post above. It describes things perfectly.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"That may have something to do with his now former coach and fans attitude towards him.
You know one mistake and he thinks 'Oh f*** i'm gunna get slaughtered for that'.
If I knew that was coming after every little thing I did wrong it would put a huge slice of doubt in my mind as well.'"
Very true, I always got the feeling some fans thought he was going to jump over east when hkr came calling.
And with that he didn't get the full support off some.
If not at the start of the season he'll have one of the starting centre jerseys by the end of the season and it wouldn't surprise me if he was hkrs top try scorer.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"Very true, I always got the feeling some fans thought he was going to jump over east when hkr came calling.
And with that he didn't get the full support off some.
If not at the start of the season he'll have one of the starting centre jerseys by the end of the season and it wouldn't surprise me if he was hkrs top try scorer.'" And the thing is that he clearly never wanted to leave.
If he did when Agar said 'you can go' last time he would have crossed over in a shot but he didn't.
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