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| Quote ="Beverley red"Just reading through some of the drivel on here, I thought Hudge brought Sandy in to build a lasting legacy to the club by building a set up brining in local talent through the club? described by our chairman as the only way the club can advance. so to question Sandy after 2 1/2 years is silly. long term planning is ten to twenty years, I am putting into place in my job structures that will not come to fruition until I have probably popped my clogs, that is how you build a lasting legacy. I have been watching the club since 1960 & up to George Fairburn I think the club had only had five or six coaches in its entire history & would have been less except for the early death of Harry Poole. This club needs long term stability a system that remains constant (look at Wigan/Leeds) & that means allowing our coach to get on with his job & also allowing him to learn from his mistakes. If the idiots on here get their wish we will be back to square one with a new broom changing everything (again) new players & staff treading water trying to keep up with the rest. Whoever the coach is they need 10 years to bring stability.'"
I'm far from an idiot, the only thing idiotic is your post.
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| Its ok saying sack the coach but who do you get to replace him nobody seems to think that far ahead I'd give him another year and see what happens
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"Its ok saying sack the coach but who do you get to replace him nobody seems to think that far ahead I'd give him another year and see what happens'"
How are we to know as fans, who's available out there? Thats the boards responsibility, not ours! My choice was allways Webster. But we missed the boat on that one. Giving a one year extension to sandy,who is on the whole disliked by many, seems a lazy re-appointment to me.
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| Like I say your quick to day sack him but then don't give an alternative two posters on here have given a name both said James Webster what use Is that he's just got a new job like I say id give him another year if there's no visible improvement in the club as a whole them find a new coach
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"Like I say your quick to day sack him but then don't give an alternative two posters on here have given a name both said James Webster what use Is that he's just got a new job like I say id give him another year if there's no visible improvement in the club as a whole them find a new coach'"
Why wait another year? What are you expecting to see in the next 12 months that will be significantly different to the last 2 1/2?
If he gets the deal, and nowt changes, are you the man tasked with finding a replacement?
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| Quote ="Beverley red" Whoever the coach is they need 10 years to bring stability.'"
If the present incumbent is here after 10 years they will be announcing the crowd to the players at 2.45 pm on a Sunday.
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| Peter Gentle would be my shout to replace him point to prove, knows where hull is, took a shambles of a team to wembley before being stabbed in the back by his assistant not afraid to drop underperforming "stars" gave youth a chance get him on a plane
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| Ok Stan what makes you think bringing someone else in will change anything for the better to me it will be another coach who needs time to settle in two seasons to get his own team blah blah blah before you know its 2017 and were still struggling to get to 8th
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"Ok Stan what makes you think bringing someone else in will change anything for the better to me it will be another coach who needs time to settle in two seasons to get his own team blah blah blah before you know its 2017 and were still struggling to get to 8th'"
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"Ok Stan what makes you think bringing someone else in will change anything for the better to me it will be another coach who needs time to settle in two seasons to get his own team blah blah blah before you know its 2017 and were still struggling to get to 8th'"
Look at the squad. Look at it and honestly tell me that the current coach is getting the best out of it. The board backed him to the hilt this season and he's let them, and us down.
If we keep Sandercock until 2017 we will be back in the Championship looking forward to a "derby" against Donny as a season highlight.
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| Quote ="Hessle rover"I'm far from an idiot, the only thing idiotic is your post.'"
He actually makes some good points, especially regarding stability.
I recognise that Sandercock hasn't achieved the success that many would have liked up to now, including me.
As fans we want the club to realize both its own and our dreams of achieving success on the field, however quite often we want instant gratification without putting in the long term building blocks first,( a little like Salford are attempting at the moment imo).
Significant achievements require significant effort and time to be realized, that is what the club is working towards at the moment imo.
Some people on this forum, wanting to sack or at least change the coaches every couple of years if they don't come up to their personal expectations maybe understandable but not the right thing to do imo, where would Manchester Utd have been if they had sacked Alex Ferguson after his first couple of years in charge when the clubs achievements did not match up to their fans high expectations,? the club finished around mid table during those first two years and only in year three of Alex Ferguson's reign, did the famous club begin what was the beginning of their long successful period, plus its also worth mentioning that he was already a highly rated coach by the time he took over at Man Utd after a successful spell at Aberdeen during the early eighties, during which time he also was part of the coaching staff for the Scottish national side.
Another thing to bear in mind is ... the players opinion of the coach, in Sandecocks case they ( the players) have great respect for him which goes a long way when trying to build a stable and successful side.
At the moment things could be better and its frustrating been a Rovers fan at times, but if the club took the advice of some fans on this forum, we wouldn't have a team to coach.
As a long standing supporter of Rovers (46 years) and been fortunate to see the very good but also the not so good during those years, i want to see the success of the late seventies/ early eighties replicated in the not to distant future, what i don't want to see is,.....us abandoning our long term goals in favor of the quick fix solution.
Sometimes it takes a while to reach our dreams and the things that bring long term satisfaction.
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| One thing I will give you Stan is no I don't think he is getting what he should out of this squad at the moment but the season hasn't ended yet
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"Its ok saying sack the coach but who do you get to replace him nobody seems to think that far ahead I'd give him another year and see what happens'" And the in 12 months time we give him another one for the same reason. In the mean time we go to hell in a hand cart but that's ok because at least we won't have to risk someone else.
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| Quote ="Seventies red"He actually makes some good points, especially regarding stability.
I recognise that Sandercock hasn't achieved the success that many would have liked up to now, including me.
As fans we want the club to realize both its own and our dreams of achieving success on the field, however quite often we want instant gratification without putting in the long term building blocks first,( a little like Salford are attempting at the moment imo).
Significant achievements require significant effort and time to be realized, that is what the club is working towards at the moment imo.
Some people on this forum, wanting to sack or at least change the coaches every couple of years if they don't come up to their personal expectations maybe understandable but not the right thing to do imo, where would Manchester Utd have been if they had sacked Alex Ferguson after his first couple of years in charge when the clubs achievements did not match up to their fans high expectations,? the club finished around mid table during those first two years and only in year three of Alex Ferguson's reign, did the famous club begin what was the beginning of their long successful period, plus its also worth mentioning that he was already a highly rated coach by the time he took over at Man Utd after a successful spell at Aberdeen during the early eighties, during which time he also was part of the coaching staff for the Scottish national side.
Another thing to bear in mind is ... the players opinion of the coach, in Sandecocks case they ( the players) have great respect for him which goes a long way when trying to build a stable and successful side.
At the moment things could be better and its frustrating been a Rovers fan at times, but if the club took the advice of some fans on this forum, we wouldn't have a team to coach.
As a long standing supporter of Rovers (46 years) and been fortunate to see the very good but also the not so good during those years, i want to see the success of the late seventies/ early eighties replicated in the not to distant future, what i don't want to see is,.....us abandoning our long term goals in favor of the quick fix solution.
Sometimes it takes a while to reach our dreams and the things that bring long term satisfaction.
'" Christ he has had 2 1/2 years not 6 months.
We are NO better now then we were 2 1/2 years ago.
It's no wonder the players like him if as has been proved they can do whatever they bloody well like (We have a good squad but are playing miles BELOW how we should be as proof).
Look at Castleford as an example of a coach squeezing every ounce he can out of his squad. No amount of time will change the fact that Sandercock cannot manage that.
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"And the in 12 months time we give him another one for the same reason. In the mean time we go to hell in a hand cart but that's ok because at least we won't have to risk someone else.
Geez.'"
sorry I must have missed all the grand final wins under saint Justin who had a better squad what I remember is scraping into the play offs against cas reserves and then getting a 50 point tonking in the first round
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"Christ he has had 2 1/2 years not 6 months.
We are NO better now then we were 2 1/2 years ago.
It's no wonder the players like him if as has been proved they can do whatever they bloody well like (We have a good squad but are playing miles BELOW how we should be as proof).
Look at Castleford as an example of a coach squeezing every ounce he can out of his squad. No amount of time will change the fact that Sandercock cannot manage that.'"
Daryl Powell is undoubtedly a very good coach with a fair bit of coaching experience, certainly more than Sandercock, he was also a very good player.
If i remember correctly he coached at Leeds in the early millennia for two or three years but was succeeded by Tony Smith after disappointing results .
So, although he is a good coach, he hasn't always had the success he is having now, it has been work in progress (most of it been in a lower league) since he first came into coaching around 13 years or 14 ago .
My argument still stands, although i'm not saying keep Sandercock on indefinitely by any means, i am saying, it can take longer than 2 1/2 years for a coach to get where he wants to be, in any sport at ameature level or professional.
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| I'm all for stability and continuity but would you continue throwing your money away on a horse who couldn't run to save it's life just because you think one day it might win? You've got to be sure you're backing the right man and IMO neither owner of the Hull clubs currently is
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"sorry I must have missed all the grand final wins under saint Justin who had a better squad what I remember is scraping into the play offs against cas reserves and then getting a 50 point tonking in the first round'" He had a better squad did he? Well who's fault is that seeing as the spend has to be EXACTLY the same?
Oh and BTW JM managed 4th place after being the guy taking us up and building us into a SL club with that said if you want to make the complete comparison apart from in our first SL season (When JM did the great job of keeping us up) we never finished lower than 7th. Yet under Sandercock who has been handed a SL club we haven't managed to finish higher than 8th.
Still if you want to pretend it isn't the fault of CS go right ahead. I'll not be burying my head and pretending the same though.
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| Quote ="Seventies red"Daryl Powell is undoubtedly a very good coach with a fair bit of coaching experience, certainly more than Sandercock, he was also a very good player.
If i remember correctly he coached at Leeds in the early millennia for two or three years but was succeeded by Tony Smith after disappointing results .
So, although he is a good coach, he hasn't always had the success he is having now, it has been work in progress (most of it been in a lower league) since he first came into coaching around 13 years or 14 ago .
My argument still stands, although i'm not saying keep Sandercock on indefinitely by any means, i am saying, it can take longer than 2 1/2 years for a coach to get where he wants to be, in any sport at ameature level or professional.'" A coach is handed a team that finished 7th at lowest and takes them to 10th,8th and highly probable 9th or worse (Let's be honest with ourselves) and you want him to get an extension?
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"He had a better squad did he? Well who's fault is that seeing as the spend has to be EXACTLY the same?
Oh and BTW JM managed 4th place after being the guy taking us up and building us into a SL club with that said if you want to make the complete comparison apart from in our first SL season (When JM did the great job of keeping us up) we never finished lower than 7th. Yet under Sandercock who has been handed a SL club we haven't managed to finish higher than 8th.
Still if you want to pretend it isn't the fault of CS go right ahead. I'll not be burying my head and pretending the same though.'"
Spot on and at least he inspired the odd great performance and a cc semi final. Not one of sandercocks stats have matched Morgans or look like doing so. Stability is good as long as an improvement is in sight unfortunately we look like getting worse.
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| Yes we finished fourth and got hammered in both play off games I appreciate what Morgan did and I'm not the biggest fan of sandercock but ones treated like a hero and one like the anti Christ yet they have similar records in super league as both have won nothing and both scrape into the play offs and get beat
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| Quote ="cravenpark1"Hope you are not telling pork pies,and if true please rovers tell him to get on is bike soon has possible'"
It's just what I was told. There's obviously some sticking point as hudge has indicated there is a contract waiting for him to sign
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"Yes we finished fourth and got hammered in both play off games I appreciate what Morgan did and I'm not the biggest fan of sandercock but ones treated like a hero and one like the anti Christ yet they have similar records in super league as both have won nothing and both scrape into the play offs and get beat'" Finishing 4th of 6 isn't scraping in.So I'll say it again.
JM whilst building (Do you see the word I used here?)a SL club/team managed 7,4(2 years after promotion no less),7,7.
SC whilst given (Do you see the word I used here?) a well established SL club/team managed 10,8,9 (Or worse).
That isn't similar at all in fact it's bizarre you even used the word.
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"Yes we finished fourth and got hammered in both play off games I appreciate what Morgan did and I'm not the biggest fan of sandercock but ones treated like a hero and one like the anti Christ yet they have similar records in super league as both have won nothing and both scrape into the play offs and get beat'"
You have to compare like with like tho. JM took a championship side to 4th in sL and a cc semi. Sandy took a SL side and has them performing like a championship team. We are very lucky this year two teams have financially imploded or we would be in dire straits.
Can anyone name one area we are better now than two and a half years ago and youth development isn't one of them much to the dislike of the applogists.
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| Quote ="barham red"You have to compare like with like tho. JM took a championship side to 4th in sL and a cc semi. Sandy took a SL side and has them performing like a championship team. We are very lucky this year two teams have financially imploded or we would be in dire straits.
Can anyone name one area we are better now than two and a half years ago and youth development isn't one of them much to the dislike of the applogists.'" I'll give you my prediction in 12 months time mate. CS gets his extension and this time next year when we are staring down the barrel of the middle 8 almost to a man all those who are saying 'Give him the extension' will be up in arms saying 'Sack him'.
Why do I say this? His track record screams it. You can see it, I can see it I, have no clue how others can't.
Those who wish can bookmark this if they want.
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