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| Quote ="Vicenzo"Nothing. I was pointing out that however you dress it up it is a debt and has to be paid back. As you so rightly point out they are getting interest on their loans.'"
Debt doesn't have to be paid back, just ask the former creditors of hull kr who had to accept a CVA not so long back.
The interest rate on directors loans is capped I believe at a much lower rate than current bank rate would likely be, plus is there any evidence that the Hull FC shareholders are charging interest on their loans?
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| Quote ="Chris1953"Maybe if your club had shaken off their small club mentality when the kc was offered to them they wouldn't be having to beg and scrape for a smaller version of the kc as fudge wants now!!
Good times for rugby league in the city at tho moment!!'"
You enjoy it like my avatar says
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg":1u09nhwiDebt doesn't :1u09nhwihave:1u09nhwi to be paid back, just ask the former creditors of hull kr who had to accept a CVA not so long back.
The interest rate on directors loans is capped I believe at a much lower rate than current bank rate would likely be, plus is there any evidence that the Hull FC shareholders are charging interest on their loans?'"
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista""Hudgell says he took the decision to publicly talk about KR's financial plight in a bid to highlight the need to develop Craven Park"
Nowt to do with Look North's feature, then?
He'll be citing image rights as a reason not to file accounts next, oh, hang on...
If Rovers are trying to strong-arm them into giving them some money, the council should consider that if there was a compelling business case for the ground extensions, the funding woud have been forthcoming already in line with the 2008 franchise application and you would be kicking off 2010 in a 14,000 stadium.
They would need to consider that if East Hull is so deprived of "facilities" whether they could be provided at a better, more accessible, more cost-effective alternative location. Investing in a stand at Craven Park wouldn't provide many financial benefits to the local community other than a few short term building jobs and a handful of back office staff if demand picked up a bit, plus maybe pub landlords would see an upside.
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I don't have the time, effort or energy to pull your pathetic post to bits.
Have a day off from talking out your @rse.
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| Quote ="cofr_rockin_robin"Why don't you worry about the mighty Hull Super League who have similar debts that are owed to the Directors in loans !'"
I have no worries about fc, they appear to be doing well financially. I am imputing into a discussion, I have a lot of friends in rugby who support both clubs, I would not want to see rovers get in to seroius trouble that it threatened their future..So my friend you need to get of you high horse
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| Quote ="Roverswall"In other words 'god didn't he make my mate look a turd i'll jump in and try to deflect attention'.'"
No I do not personally know the poster, I am amazed a former public figure decided to post what he did, I am even more amazed reading further down the thread
Most kr/fc posters are fine and will banter and wind each other, however some are arrogant, ignorant and egcotistic, unfortunatley he is one of them imo
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| Quote ="The Goroka Gene-ius"The name of the KC has nack all to do with the revenue used to build it. Kingston Comms have a 10 year sponsorship deal with it. The windfall was taxpayers money which the council chose to squander on all manner of dumb projects - you should see the cash wasted on council house gates/fences etc around parts of the city.
Rovers turned down the chance to play there for 1 reason only - location. Had it been built centrally it would have been a worthwhile consideration.'"
None of which alters the fact Rovers have already been offered the chance to play in a premium stadium gifted to the city by the council on the back of huge cash windfall, and chose to go it alone. It's therefore a bit disinengenuous to start making out the council now owes you one because living the dream has put you £3m in debt.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"None of which alters the fact Rovers have already been offered the chance to play in a premium stadium gifted to the city by the council on the back of huge cash windfall, and chose to go it alone. It's therefore a bit disinengenuous to start making out the council now owes you one because living the dream has put you £3m in debt.'"
It's not about the council "owing the club" it "owes the area".
Whilst that simple idea doesn't fit in to your inane fixations, it's common sense that council tax payers money is distributed accordingly.
Have a day off from talking out of your @rse.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Ooh, hark at her!
The KC was built from a KC cash windfall, wasn't it, hence the name KC stadium? And Rovers were offered the chance to play at the stadium gifted to the city but turned that chance down. So having opted to go it alone to now ask for extra money to build their own because they've only just realised their business model is unsustainable is a bit hard to swallow.
Councils are strapped for cash. As stated, if there is such a proven need for community facilities in East Hull I'm sure it will already be high up the council's priority list, so let them appraise potential locations against a set of community, accessibility and and financial criteria.
Still, you side-stepped Hudgell's image rights "rationale" quite neatly there.
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The fact it was windfall money makes no difference in principle. It does in practice, but I'll come back to that.
When the issue of Rovers taking up the offer to play at the KC is raised by Hull fans, is it just forum points scoring, or do you really think we should we should? As it happens I'd like to see it for the derby, but that is very much a minority opinion.
Which brings me back to Rovers negotiating position. Ideally the council would build us a sy new £6 million stand. But we need to be realistic - there isn't cash knocking about like there was back when the KC was built and it might not be possible. If it really isn't Rovers should be magnaminous, IMO and accept a smaller tidbit. Use of the KC community stadium once a year for a token payment perhaps. 18k at that one game would drag us up much closer to the 10k average we apparently need.
Image rights - I honestly don't know. But if it was a cover up to hide big losses it either didn't last very long or if lies are being told it is been done pretty half-heartedly.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"The fact it was windfall money makes no difference in principle. It does in practice, but I'll come back to that.
When the issue of Rovers taking up the offer to play at the KC is raised by Hull fans, is it just forum points scoring, or do you really think we should we should? As it happens I'd like to see it for the derby, but that is very much a minority opinion.
Which brings me back to Rovers negotiating position. Ideally the council would build us a sy new £6 million stand. But we need to be realistic - there isn't cash knocking about like there was back when the KC was built and it might not be possible. If it really isn't Rovers should be magnaminous, IMO and accept a smaller tidbit. Use of the KC community stadium once a year for a token payment perhaps. 18k at that one game would drag us up much closer to the 10k average we apparently need.
Image rights - I honestly don't know. But if it was a cover up to hide big losses it either didn't last very long or if lies are being told it is been done pretty half-heartedly.'"
I think you should be allowed to play your derby there, nearly all the fans would be accomodated, your average would be raised, every-one is happy.
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| Quote ="General Zod."It's not about the council "owing the club" it "owes the area".'"
Fine. But if it is established that East Hull is short of facilities, and the council wants to prioritise their provision, surely it's right that they appraise all possible locations in East Hull against a set of criteria such as accessibility, existing infrastructure and cost-effectiveness for example? They've recently assisted a £10m East Park "facilities" upgrade for example, so which area do they "owe" - or have you just made up the area that's a 100 yard radius around Craven Park?
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"The fact it was windfall money makes no difference in principle. It does in practice, but I'll come back to that.
When the issue of Rovers taking up the offer to play at the KC is raised by Hull fans, is it just forum points scoring, or do you really think we should we should? As it happens I'd like to see it for the derby, but that is very much a minority opinion.
Which brings me back to Rovers negotiating position. Ideally the council would build us a sy new £6 million stand. But we need to be realistic - there isn't cash knocking about like there was back when the KC was built and it might not be possible. If it really isn't Rovers should be magnaminous, IMO and accept a smaller tidbit. Use of the KC community stadium once a year for a token payment perhaps. 18k at that one game would drag us up much closer to the 10k average we apparently need.
Image rights - I honestly don't know. But if it was a cover up to hide big losses it either didn't last very long or if lies are being told it is been done pretty half-heartedly.'"
The derby idea is a good one as you don't seem fussy where you hand us our @rses so there's no such thing as home advantage
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"None of which alters the fact Rovers have already been offered the chance to play in a premium stadium gifted to the city by the council on the back of huge cash windfall, and chose to go it alone. It's therefore a bit disinengenuous to start making out the council now owes you one because living the dream has put you £3m in debt.'"
They might as well have been offered an option to play home games at Twickenham, the overwhelming majority of Rovers fans would not tolerate home games in deepest, darkest West Hull. The decision was taken pre-Hudge anyway, but that doesn't stop the flak heading his way.
Lets not forget that the debt is to 2 Rovers fans, not a bank, or a loan shark, or a hard-faced businessman/woman.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"The derby idea is a good one as you don't seem fussy where you hand us our @rses so there's no such thing as home advantage
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Would the Hull fans be happy in the North stand and West stand upper??
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| Quote ="Vicenzo"So when Hull SL pay an annual charge to the SMC plus a percentage above a certain attendance what do you call it, a charitable donation perhaps?'"
Take another look at what was being claimed.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Would the Hull fans be happy in the North stand and West stand upper??
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I should imagine we'd all boycott the game.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"I should imagine we'd all boycott the game.
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Dependant on league position, of course!
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Would the Hull fans be happy in the North stand and West stand upper??
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Honestly, Michael/Daniel, compared to the South "stand" at CP, or the condemned plastic alternative - are you SERIOUS?
Very happy to actually get to view an Away derby from North/Upper West at the KC. The stampede for tickets would crash Rover's computers within the first hour. Or would you be borrowing our ticket office too?
I reckon if Pearson eighth's the price Duffen wanted to charge for the loan of the stadium to the RFL for the International, you may be able to afford the initial outlay.
Hudge should, because the income would more than compensate. [size=75(Seriously do think Rovers should consider this, actually.) [/size
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| Quote ="Kosh"Take another look at what was being claimed.'"
Yep.someone claimed to know of a possible increase in rent and you said there was no rent on the KC. Hence my response...is that clear enough for you?
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"None of which alters the fact Rovers have already been offered the chance to play in a premium stadium gifted to the city by the council on the back of huge cash windfall, and chose to go it alone. It's therefore a bit disinengenuous to start making out the council now owes you one because living the dream has put you £3m in debt.'" I love it when FC fans bang on about this as if moving away from a teams core support and grabbing it with both hands is in anyway a good idea never mind into their rivals fanbase.
It is utter bull you know it and I know it.
So do yourself a favour and wipe your chin.
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| Quote ="Vicenzo"Yep.someone claimed to know of a possible increase in rent and you said there was no rent on the KC. Hence my response...is that clear enough for you?'"
It's clear to me that your comprehension skills are sadly lacking.
Try reading the original post again. Slowly. Maybe it'll sink in.
Here's a clue - I didn't say that FC don't pay rent.
Nighty night.
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| Quote ="Kosh"It's clear to me that your comprehension skills are sadly lacking.
Try reading the original post again. Slowly. Maybe it'll sink in.
Here's a clue - I didn't say that FC don't pay rent.
Nighty night.'"
I'm sorry for not taking it in. Then again I suspect you didn't either!
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