Just found a thread on a Haven MB, that suggests our dual reg players will be available to play on Sunday (whilst there's aren't - good, no Kyle Amor

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The fact that Walker has made the senior squad at Wigan recently would mean it a bit of a shock if they allowed him to be cup tied.

Any of our Wigan contingent know if this is the case?

to the best of my knowledge dual registration players are only allowed to represent their parent club in the challenge cup as essentially the two teams are in the same competition and you cannot be registered to play for two clubs in the same competition. loan players would be allowed to play if the terms of their loan stipulated but then would become 'cup-tied' for the parent club if they returned.

like i say, to the best of my knowledge...i am no authority on these things but everything i have read agrees with what i said and anyone i've asked who seems more educated on these matters confirmed my thoughts.

as you say, jonny walker is in the wigan squad anyway. and it probably damaging haven more as veivers and marsh are already proving important to them by reports i've read whereas we are just losing a prop and fairclough could come in and do a job i suspect, and our strengths are outwide anyway

by the way...where did you see it on haven boards?

Thanks Markill. I suspect that's correct re the dual reg, thought it odd.

I presume when you say Fairclough could come in for Holland, you mean Fairhurst? I did hear a rumour he may have left the club, hope I'm wrong as he's a more than able player. We've also Paul Alcock who could come back into the squad

The 'Haven board that gets plenty of use is:

[urlhttp://www.havenfans.co.uk/[/url

Watching their game v Barrow the other week the thing that strikes you about them is what a huge, musclebound bunch they are, too much dodgy quack bull serum

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They ain't quick though, (Calvert apart), if we can keep the ball moving I fancy we can turn them over. If we get into an arm wrestle though there'll only be one winner.

Really hope we can turn 'em over though, we desperately need a good pay day in the next round.

Good luck lads.

yeah i meant fairhurst! ha. he played against skolars and that was only a couple of weeks ago. i hope he hasn't gone, that'd be the only drawback from having holland on dual reg.

where do you hear these rumours anyway? ha. the club gets no press, the players don't live / train / socialise round these parts much...

Talking to someone at the York game, seemingly he wasn't best pleased at being left out of the 17 after playing at Skolars.

This is one downside of the dual reg system, especially when we don't have a reserve team to keep people playing.

Means to an end I suppose; it's obvious it's Championship or bust at Panthers this season and there will always be the odd casualty in the desperation to escape the slowly rotting corpse that is Championship 1.



Agree with you re communication though, although it's improved a smidge, it's still light years behind what most other pro clubs get.

There should be snippets on the website at least once a week if not more. Even if it just says "no-one's injured, all is well"!

This is one of many reasons why, depsite the great RL we're playing and the results, the crowds are still poor.

Good comms and publicity (plus hopefully a return to Blackpool) are the key

The promotion of games is coming on leaps and bounds. The blackboards outside St Annes WMC and Waterloo Social Club say that our next home game is Doncaster a week on Sunday.

In Saturday's Gazette MC is quoted as saying that Holland can play...hope we've got the rules sorted, it wouldn't be good to be thrown out for playing an ineligable!

Or have we signed him on amd he's no longer dual reg'd

holland played for us, amor played for them...anyone know the rules!?!

it depends on club dispensation, if the parent club allow them to play then they can do it is entirely up to them.

I assume though that any player can only play for one club in the competition each season though, in other words, Holland is now cuptied should Wigan need him later on?

That's the way I read it in League press this am. Wigan asked that Walker doesn't play but that Holland can. MC says that Walker is now available again for Friday against Donny.

That's good news for Friday, although it'd be tough to leave anyone out after that effort on Sunday. Wonder if he might decide to give Anderson, Halliwell, McCully or Hobson a well earned breather?

Strange old feeling to have selection headaches like this for a Blackpool fan

i'd leave mccully or halliwell out. they were relatively poor in what was otherwise a great all round effort i thought

I wouldn't leave McCully out, thought he did a lot of the un-noticed stuff very well.

As I said before though, what a dilemma to have

as a wigan fan first and foremost i don't see a dilemma. play the wigan players! ha. blackpool win and they develop. makes simple sense! but seriously, i see how its unfair on the players in the panthers squad.

by the way, walker named in wigan 19 again

So the chances are he won't be with us this week. Maybe not a bad thing in some respects as the same 17 really should play this week if they're all fit.

The next game not being til a week on Monday (at South Wales Scorps) they will then have a little longer than usual to recover.

Josh Charnley has signed a dual registration deal with Blackpool. He is a superb winger / centre from the Wigan academy.

Look after him for us, he is a top prospect and will do very well at that level. He's still only 18 years of age but is big and fast (in the Pat Richards mold)

heard that this was due a few weeks ago, not sure why the delay actually. unless wigan were holding back because of the injury situation. either way, great news all round. lets hope *fingers crossed* injuries clear up at wigan fast and josh plays maximum games at blackpool so he doesn't get called up.

I got told by someone at the club that he was signing this week mainly due to the fact maguire likes what crompton is doing here and wants to keep sending players our way to keep holland company as he takes the others away, obviously feeling that they will get more benefit here, but looking forward to seeing charnley play although not tomorrow as im in wigan, but maybe the leeds game?

or the next home game afterwards.

it appears from the news article on wigan's website that he won't be playing challenge cup - probably why the deal wasn't announced last week and probabaly won't be seeing him in action at leeds, and even then the gateshead game clashes huddersfield away so don't know what i'll do about that either.

Not sure I'm overly happy at this situation looking at the longer view.

I don't want players coming over for one or two games then returning, it's not healthy on a number of levels, the main two being:

1) It disrupts team cohesion
2) it puts players out of the side who would normally be part of the squad leading to unrest

I have no problem with dual regging in some respects, but players need to come on season long loans imho, which can be terminated if the lending club needs them back.

For example, tonight, I have no doubts that this lad Charnley is more than useful, but why, after a performance like last Sunday, should anyone miss out tonight unless they have to?

Seems the lad is most at home at full back or wing, so that would mean Munro (13 tries in 10 games), Leather (game breaker) or Ballard (another game breaker with 7 tries in 9 starts) missing out, which personally I wouldn't be in favour of.

If someone is in need of a rest or is carrying a knock then fine, bring him in, but otherwise I wouldn't tinker.

Donny are a big, rough side. This is a night for experience. It ain't bust, don't fix it.

Discuss

the long term benefit of the club is promotion. get that or go back to having a bunch of poorly trained poor quality players like it was before MC turned up. having genuine quality in the team is for the greater good. plus, before bobby hope put some money in on players like hemmingway, ballard and halliwell with SL experience we were crying out for players from clubs like wigan to come play a game for us. it shouldn't be any different now. and it raises the profile of the club. if 10-20 wigan fans come to watch us because we have players in our team that is good for the club. the fact that wigan fans on a weekly basis speak about how the players are getting on a the panthers is good for the club. and the better they do the more panthers will benefit long term.

i know it is unfair on players like leather and munro who have been around for a while and have done not a lot wrong. its a shame that players like mccully or fairhurst miss out. but the team is getting better with this talent. look at holland. would you now pick any other front rower in the squad ahead of him? no chance. look at walker, he was my man of the match when i saw him play and now he is apparently going to get a go off the bench against quins tonight, but when some of the injured players come back at wigan he will be back at the panthers, and i'd want him to walk back into the team personally.

another point here is ballard started poorly at the club and i still have some reservations about him. don't like his support and link play as a fullback and don't think he gets involved enough as a winger. munro is solid but getting older now so no harm in giving him the odd week off in my opinion. leather is as we know injury prone. he is also in the worst form i've seen from him at the club with his confidence being down. i would seriously hope genuine competition for places would change that because jonny is a class act in the championship leagues. but right now does he deserve to be playing automatically every week? i'm not so sure. his most influencial appearance this season was off the bench at skolars. maybe he needs a kick up the backside a little.

plus MC likes to put a back on the bench so one of them will find themself there if they miss out.

final point of long rant - charnley is more of a winger/centre than winger/fullback. with glassman-mayberry injured all the time that might be where we fit him in.

edit: one more point i just noticed - this is the most replied to thread on the panthers board so at the very least its got us fans interested and talking about it...which is good for the club. ha.

Thaks Markill, you've done the job - it's started people talking about us and that was whole point (hence my "discuss" bit at the end!)

I happen to agree with you, I think one or two players do need the odd reminder that there is no "comfort zone", and those with the spirit for the fight and the job ahead (let's face, it is Championship or bust this season) will keep scrapping for a place.

If for example, Pete Fairhurst has walked, then perhaps he wasn't the man for the job anyway. If he hasn't and is prepared to tough it out, then every credit to him.

Not sure about Leather's best game being at Skolars, he was one of the main players in the 2nd half against York, think he had a hand in all 3 of Dave Llewellyn's tries.

It's great tough that we have so much to talk about now that's positive, we must do our best to get the message out to the wider public. It'll be interesting to see how many come out tonight.

Now, if we could only get Casey Mayberry a hamstring transplant....

Agree Seagull

What game was the previous post to you watching



McCully poor

Well if topping the tackle counts as a poor performance

Your right Seagull lots of fans dont watch what goes on in a game
Like i said in an earlier post DEFENCE WINS GAMES