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DONCASTER Rovers are set to take over the running of the town’s financially troubled Keepmoat Stadium.
Council bosses have said that Rovers taking overall control of the complex is the only “solution” to dealing with the taxpayer-funded venue’s spiralling losses.
Financial crisis has plagued the Keepmoat since it opened six years ago at a cost of £32 million - excluding the land value. Stadium Management Company (SMC) which runs the venue has racked up losses of £2.1 million.
The Free Press exclusively revealed that Rovers were talking to the council about taking over the running of stadium. A report this week recommends the council allow Rovers to take over the Keepmoat for 99 years - in exchange for £100,000 a year rent.
Simon Wiles, the authority’s director of finance, said: “The only potential viable solution is to wind up the SMC and give greater management control, usage rights and security of tenure to Doncaster Rovers, in return for them taking responsibility for the loss making facility and paying a rental to the council.”
Rovers chairman John Ryan declined to comment as negotiations were ongoing - but he promised a full statement once the talks were complete.
While talks are ongoing, up to eight staff are expected to be made redundant as the SMC seeks to make further savings. Overspends on staff have been upto £600,000 a year.
The report recommends allowing Rovers to take over the stadium for a further 80 years in addition to the 19 years remaining on the current agreement.
An issue with not extending the deal is that the council has guaranteed that if the SMC does not exist taxpayers would have to pay for Rovers to use another stadium.
The deal would also include a longer term deal on Rovers’ training ground in Cantley.
The club would have the chance to raise extra cash from the site. Suggestions include boosting income from installing solar panels and making greater use of the bars, gym and Soccer Centre.
Mayor Peter Davies has previously branded the Keepmoat “an albatross around the neck” of ratepayers and said it was “likely” to end up in Rovers’ control.
Despite efforts to make savings, Mr Wiles has concluded that the SMC will continue to lose up to £400,000 a year.
Rovers currently pay £281,000 to the SMC but external advisors have said that if it renegotiated, then the club should be paying up to £600,000 - which is “considerably” in excess of what Rovers would be willing to pay.
Analysis has concluded that all the stadium’s main tenants - Rovers, the Belles, the Dons and the athletics club - do not pay anything like the true cost.
The report also guarantees that any contract with Rovers would include a written agreement to guarantee the Dons, athletics club and the Belles continued use of the stadium.
In March Mr Wiles said the SMC was no longer a “going concern”.
Other options the council had explored included knocking the stadium down and selling the land.
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DONCASTER Rovers are set to take over the running of the town’s financially troubled Keepmoat Stadium.
Council bosses have said that Rovers taking overall control of the complex is the only “solution” to dealing with the taxpayer-funded venue’s spiralling losses.
Financial crisis has plagued the Keepmoat since it opened six years ago at a cost of £32 million - excluding the land value. Stadium Management Company (SMC) which runs the venue has racked up losses of £2.1 million.
The Free Press exclusively revealed that Rovers were talking to the council about taking over the running of stadium. A report this week recommends the council allow Rovers to take over the Keepmoat for 99 years - in exchange for £100,000 a year rent.
Simon Wiles, the authority’s director of finance, said: “The only potential viable solution is to wind up the SMC and give greater management control, usage rights and security of tenure to Doncaster Rovers, in return for them taking responsibility for the loss making facility and paying a rental to the council.”
Rovers chairman John Ryan declined to comment as negotiations were ongoing - but he promised a full statement once the talks were complete.
While talks are ongoing, up to eight staff are expected to be made redundant as the SMC seeks to make further savings. Overspends on staff have been upto £600,000 a year.
The report recommends allowing Rovers to take over the stadium for a further 80 years in addition to the 19 years remaining on the current agreement.
An issue with not extending the deal is that the council has guaranteed that if the SMC does not exist taxpayers would have to pay for Rovers to use another stadium.
The deal would also include a longer term deal on Rovers’ training ground in Cantley.
The club would have the chance to raise extra cash from the site. Suggestions include boosting income from installing solar panels and making greater use of the bars, gym and Soccer Centre.
Mayor Peter Davies has previously branded the Keepmoat “an albatross around the neck” of ratepayers and said it was “likely” to end up in Rovers’ control.
Despite efforts to make savings, Mr Wiles has concluded that the SMC will continue to lose up to £400,000 a year.
Rovers currently pay £281,000 to the SMC but external advisors have said that if it renegotiated, then the club should be paying up to £600,000 - which is “considerably” in excess of what Rovers would be willing to pay.
Analysis has concluded that all the stadium’s main tenants - Rovers, the Belles, the Dons and the athletics club - do not pay anything like the true cost.
The report also guarantees that any contract with Rovers would include a written agreement to guarantee the Dons, athletics club and the Belles continued use of the stadium.
In March Mr Wiles said the SMC was no longer a “going concern”.
Other options the council had explored included knocking the stadium down and selling the land.
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| Quote The report also guarantees that any contract with Rovers would include a written agreement to guarantee the Dons, athletics club and the Belles continued use of the stadium.'"
if was on the Dons' board I would need a lot more flesh on the bones than that. I would want to know about our rental agreement and that the Rovers don't have any control over it.
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| Whats the betting that the Dons play at Castle Park at some point in the future ??
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| Interesting that:
1) The Knights are moving games to Friday nights
2) The Ex Chief Exec of the Knights was at the Keepmoat on Sunday
If we were to stay would we be kicked out completely for pitch resurfacing. I'm suprised no one has commented on this yet, but it was disgusting of the SMC to strip the pitch and reseed it in the same week we were playing. Why couldn't they have waited until this week.
I feel the momentum towards a move to Castle Park is growing.
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| I don't see how it could.be in rovers interest to make it impossible for the Dons to remain there by raising rent etc. They will have to find the money to pay their own rent and having an empty stadium with nothing else going on will not help in any way. The contribution from other sports using the facilities can only help them surely, whatever that may be
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| Quote ="originaldragon"Interesting that:
1) The Knights are moving games to Friday nights
2) The Ex Chief Exec of the Knights was at the Keepmoat on Sunday
If we were to stay would we be kicked out completely for pitch resurfacing. I'm suprised no one has commented on this yet, but it was disgusting of the SMC to strip the pitch and reseed it in the same week we were playing. Why couldn't they have waited until this week.
I feel the momentum towards a move to Castle Park is growing.'"
I don't feel that at all. The Chief Execuctive of the Dons will be up to speed on this I am sure. Cannot see for the life of me The Rovers short changing The Dons or the Belles. Two revenue streams lost straight away. Lets wait and see shall we. I am putting all my trust into our Management on this one. If we get promotion then the increase in revenue for our home games goes up and for me the Keepmoat is vital for that and not Castle Park.
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| The report said that the "tenants" are being massively undercharged. When the stadium was first mooted the rovers wanted it just for themselves. If the tenants are valued then surely it would be better for a steering group of tenant representatives to oversee the running.
The mention of this sporting doncaster model isn't what is needed. The Rovers should not run the other clubs. Collectively the clubs should run the stadium with one posdibly taking the lead.
I know it has been mentioned before but what is the feeling about a move to Castle Park now. The ground has excellence corporate facilities, decent beer, is more accessible than the Keepmoat and being smaller you are right on top of the action making for a better atmosphere.
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| I live quite close to castle park, and it would be ok........for now, but if the Dons want to improve and have thoughts of top division rugby at some point then the Keepmoat is a much better option, better facilities, location etc. Not to say its a bad ground, it isn't, but the keepmoat is far superior.
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| Unless one of us wins the Euromillions we're not going to be in Super League any time soon, so i think that Castle Park will be far more suited to our requirements as hopefully a succesful Championship club. Also with a smaller 'Tattersfield' size ground we should get a better atmosphere.
If we ever get a really big game there's nothing to stop us renting KM as a one off.
Does anyone know the capacity at Castle Park?
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| I was careful to say top division and not super league, because i think the way things are going super leagues days are numbered. There seems to be a growing momentum for a return to promotion and relegation. Think capacity of castle park is around 3 thousand
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| I would rather be in a 3/4 full 3,000 capacity ground, than a 1/10th full 10,000 stadium.
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| Latest from the Council.
23/05/12 - Cabinet agree to hand over the stadium keys
Doncaster Council's cabinet has today stated its intention to finalise negotiations with Doncaster Rovers Football Club which will see them take over the financial and managerial responsibility for running Keepmoat Stadium.
Subject to appropriate agreements being confirmed, the cabinet's decision will see Doncaster Rovers pay the council an inflation linked £100,000 per year and take over responsibility for the existing loss making operation from the current council owned Stadium Management Company.
The deal would protect the rights of the Belles, the Dons and Doncaster Athletic Club provided they continue to pay for their use of the stadium, while Doncaster Athletic Club will be given more control of the track.
Community focused activities with schools, the disabled and amateur clubs will continue at the stadium as will the regular Sunday car boot sales.
The Rovers tenure over the stadium and their training ground at Cantley Park will be extended to 99 years and this will provide them with greater security.
Mayor of Doncaster, Peter Davies, said: "It is well known that the stadium is losing money and the cabinet's decision seeks to provide a long-term financial solution which will protect the taxpayers of Doncaster from unnecessary expenditure in the future, whilst at the same time securing the futures of the town's key sports clubs at the Keepmoat.
"Doncaster Council should be concentrating on its core business and quite frankly running a stadium is not what the council should be doing or has the skills and expertise to do well. It is unfortunate that we need to pick up the pieces of poor decision making in the past, but we have to find an appropriate solution so we can move on. The decision we made today allows us to do just that."
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| Providing they continue to pay for their use of the stadium............who sets the rent? , what protection do the Dons have?
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If the Rovers are now in effect the landlords, does this mean they set the rent?
So if they want the Dons out ([ias rugby causes such a mess to football pitches[/i), then what is to stop the Rovers from setting an extorsionately high rent, that we can't afford to force us out.
ADDITION:
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And once again the Free Press shows a ridiculous bias towards the Rovers. No mention at all in this article of the Dons, or the Belles or any of the other tenants. The car boot gets a bigger billing than the Dons.
I know that the Dons will have been mentioned in discussions because Peter Davies is openly a Dons fan.
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If the Rovers are now in effect the landlords, does this mean they set the rent?
So if they want the Dons out ([ias rugby causes such a mess to football pitches[/i), then what is to stop the Rovers from setting an extorsionately high rent, that we can't afford to force us out.
ADDITION:
www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/new ... -1-4576832
And once again the Free Press shows a ridiculous bias towards the Rovers. No mention at all in this article of the Dons, or the Belles or any of the other tenants. The car boot gets a bigger billing than the Dons.
I know that the Dons will have been mentioned in discussions because Peter Davies is openly a Dons fan.
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Quote ="originaldragon"If the Rovers are now in effect the landlords, does this mean they set the rent?
So if they want the Dons out ([ias rugby causes such a mess to football pitches[/i), then what is to stop the Rovers from setting an extorsionately high rent, that we can't afford to force us out.
ADDITION:
www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/new ... -1-4576832
And once again the Free Press shows a ridiculous bias towards the Rovers. No mention at all in this article of the Dons, or the Belles or any of the other tenants. The car boot gets a bigger billing than the Dons.
I know that the Dons will have been mentioned in discussions because Peter Davies is openly a Dons fan.'"
I am pretty certain that there is a quote somewhere from Andy Thompson (Head groundsman at the Stadium) that the football causes more so called damage to the playing surface than The Rugby does.
Not quite sure were you get the facts that the Rovers want the Dons out of the Keepmoat. It may be time for the Dons side of this deal to be put out (if not too sensitive) IMO Carl Hall does not want the Dons to leave the Keepmoat and the same applies to John Ryan and Co. I await something from the Dons Management to allay or confirm any fears. Are you certain that the current Mayor is a Dons fan ? Turning up now and again and standing in a box is a little different from being openly a Dons fan IMO.
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Quote ="originaldragon"If the Rovers are now in effect the landlords, does this mean they set the rent?
So if they want the Dons out ([ias rugby causes such a mess to football pitches[/i), then what is to stop the Rovers from setting an extorsionately high rent, that we can't afford to force us out.
ADDITION:
www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/new ... -1-4576832
And once again the Free Press shows a ridiculous bias towards the Rovers. No mention at all in this article of the Dons, or the Belles or any of the other tenants. The car boot gets a bigger billing than the Dons.
I know that the Dons will have been mentioned in discussions because Peter Davies is openly a Dons fan.'"
I am pretty certain that there is a quote somewhere from Andy Thompson (Head groundsman at the Stadium) that the football causes more so called damage to the playing surface than The Rugby does.
Not quite sure were you get the facts that the Rovers want the Dons out of the Keepmoat. It may be time for the Dons side of this deal to be put out (if not too sensitive) IMO Carl Hall does not want the Dons to leave the Keepmoat and the same applies to John Ryan and Co. I await something from the Dons Management to allay or confirm any fears. Are you certain that the current Mayor is a Dons fan ? Turning up now and again and standing in a box is a little different from being openly a Dons fan IMO.
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| Yes it seems a bit vague moonlight. I thought Carl Hall had already stated in the free press that he was keen for the Dons to remain at the keepmoat. It is a bit worrying, but there are some fans who have said they would welcome a move to castle park, that would be fine for me, i can walk there in 10 mins. Just not sure if it would be best for the Dons future.
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| The Dons could kiss bye bye to any dreams they might have of the big time if they moved from the Keepmoat.
I can never see Donny as a big club in reality, not least because they haven't got the support, but you gotta have a dream ..... cue for a song!
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| why does everyone think the Rovers would want us out. didnt we rent Belle Vue off them and unless you know different i thought the Dons were looked after by the Rovers.
Also Rovers did promote the Dons games back then, which isnt done at the moment. (mind you that might have been because i was doing the tannoy lol! although i did get told to promote us to be fair)
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| I told you all quite awhile back about the KM & moving to Castle Park.Someone will find my post on these matters no doubt.
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