It's been a long time since you where last it top flight Rugby. Now your back whats your predictions on your crowd turn out on home and away games?

Well 5,000 on Sunday showed huge potential and I reckon added improved away crowds (though good Fev turn out Sunday) we will be looking at a basis of 8,000 that's for sure and before even seen how the the team go!

Our way travel has always been a good % of support imo. Plus a few grounds not visited in a while so I'd say 2-3,000 depending on when and where.

Hard to say but I'd go with:

Home average: 7,000

Away average: 1,500

Just out of curiousity, how many more Stronghold members do people think we will sign up now? I havent got a figure in mind myself. However, there a quite a number of people who i know who have never really watched Widnes but theyre already signed up already to the SH.

Personally i believe the majority of new members to watch Widnes have already signed up but i may be totally wrong.

Average crowds: 6,800

2-3k?! Christ, that would need applauding if so, hope you do follow this up, would be excellent!

And would be the next best thing to our 6.8million following.

What happened to the other 2 million!?



Will be good to resume our games again, KR were terrific in that season and we had fun ripping the pee out of each other.

Depends how Widnes start.

A few early losses - 6,500

A rampaging start, 8 matches in undefeated - 11,000.

What say you Vikings?

home average-8,000

we always have a good support away so i reckon away average- 2.000

Would love to think that we could average 2000 away.

However I'd feel a tad optimistic to say we'd average 1000 if I'm honest. The only places we would take that many are Stains, Wire and possibly Wigan.

I reckon we'll even out our average at about 7k. Crowds to drop to just over 5k for the likes of London and 10k for Warrington, Saints and Wigan.

Our away support is usually good, if the match is on a Sunday. We may take 500 to Leeds on a Friday night, but 1500 to Cas on a Sunday!

I think some peoples 2000 average away support is a little ambitious.

Wire and Saints 2000+ maybe
Wigan1000-1300 (still a good effort)
Hull & Hull KR - depending on if its a Sunday - 400-500
Bradford, Leeds, Cas and Hudds on a sunday - 1000-1500

It will still be a fantastic away support as always however i dont think we'll average to take 2000 fans to all away games.

You think we'll take more to cas and hudds than wigan?

I think you are way off on that one!

I think we'll take around 1000 to Cas. Cas was our first away game in SL last night and i remember our end being rammed. Maybe 1500 to Wigan, think i was a bit off with the earlier figures. I still stand by the fact i think we will average1000-1500 away, not 2000.

You could be right about that one.

Absoloutely, I don't mean to blow our own trumpet but I've not seen a team match that Rovers team of 06' in terms of skill or flair.

On the fan side, it's always fun with Widnes, I always remember being given a right set of abuse by Widnes neanderthals on a bus back from the Town Centre at Wazza after the Grand Final, happy days!

That side was something else for this division. And the Castleford side the year after wasn't bad either. We didn't have much luck pre-licensing.

We made a few mistakes with coaches, and often sides would come down from super league with parachute payments and the skeleton of a super league squad. Hull KR though, I admired what they did that year more than what Castleford managed or Salford. They targetted the year they knew two sides were coming down from SL, where the player pool would be shallower, they hired a young coach which was a risk and they played the best brand of rugby. Deserved what they've got, then and since.

The biggest mistake Widnes made post 2007 was FAR too much chopping and changing, a year of not getting to a GF was followed by a 10+ player overhaul of squad (ok 2008 nothing we could do). That Hull KR side had been assembled over a few years and had a good 2005 building to 2006.

Then you only have to look at Sheffield now and Leigh, Fev also, little bits of tinkering each year and become a force, we'd rather get shut and hope those who came in would gel and be a success staright away.

This is why Liverpool are so crap incidentally. Spend big, every year, but instead of one or two world class players, it's around 7 average signings like Poulsen.

Hmmm.... Liverpool's problem in recent (especially under Rafa) years was that it was a one in one out policy to balance the books near enough so we couldn't sign World Class without letting someone else go so we never had a squad of established players it was either a star starter or a youngster / average player trying to make the grade.

Poulsen etc? Let's not even bloody go there

Actually, Liverpool's spending has been anything but balanced. If you look at the various charts, there are only the two billionaire clubs City and Chelsea who have outspent them and there is something like a £130 million difference over the last 8 years between bought and sold. Your net spend after deductions for sales is the third highest in the league. You've overhauled your squad every year and brought in too many average rubbish players instead of planning a long term improvement by buying two or three very good players, that's your problem.