Who would you say in the last 30 yrs been the hard man to wear the black and white jersey!

Can't comment for 30 the years as have only been watching us for 20, but my stand out is King Kurt.

In my time of watching Widnes it has to be King of Hurt Kurt for me..

But this is a decent website for all Biff related matters. Some fantastic stories concerning some of our great players on here too.

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Has to be Kurt, earlier than him Big Jim and further back Vinty who was skillful as well as hard.

Rich history here for tough men. In no particular order;

Kurt
Mills (Jim)


Gorley
Grima
Hogan
Tamati

What about Dave Allen

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What about Paul Rowley? Oh no he was just a spineless, cheap shot, house!

Jim gannon , Barry Mac , Red chemic think your from my era , remember wire v widnes an Davidson ko Joe grimas front teath go missing some tough men Hogan breaking mal reillys jaw with elbow got 13 matches for that

Remember it well mbb. I can recall Davidson kicking off at Naughton Park and Paul Hulme piling into him. The Hulmes weren't classic 'hardmen' but were tough nuts who would never take a backward step - whether that marks them as hardmenwho knows - it puts it as a distinct possibility.

haha in the Mike Gregory autobiagraghy he says the Humes were Dirty B------s but you would want them in the trenches with you...

Gary Freeman rated them as the dietiest players he'd encountered - he was a nark too!!!!

Paul was a Good player and is a very nice lad you obviously dont know , i to dont know Dave Allen ,but i know people who do

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You cant compare Karalius and Sorensen, the former was a great, skillful forward who was as hard as nails, the latter a dirty sod who should have been sine die for elbow use.

Oh and the Hulmes were tough sods with hearts to match.

Can't believe nobody has mentioned Moose!

Think it was the third test v Australia at Sydney - the one we won. Paul started at Hooker and Dave was on the bench IIRC at 14. I remember getting up that day at 6am with my dad specifically to watch it as both they and Offiah were playing. They never took a backward step that day - Yomma was particularly immense and out a top shift in as ever. Loved the pair of them and still do. Dave always got the customary "Wiiiiiiiidnes!" out the car window whenever I used to drive past him whilst he was pounding the streets of WA8. He wasn't just hard Yomma but versatile too - scrum half, hooker, second row and loose.





If only we had a Hulme playing for us now.

Cant believe Ian Hardman has not had a mention!!

Toa Kohe Love. The way he bossed that sick bed was brutal.

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ill get mi coat.....................

Seconded, beast of a player!

he is largely forgotton now, but Ryan Macdonald anyone? when he was with us last time around in superleague he was epic. Put the fear of god and a sound thrashing into many front rowers in those few years. then the regular broken arms plagued him and his career died a slow and painful death.