I see from the Hysterics in Widnes board that Varkulis is facing a charge for his tackle on Campbell.

I think it was rightly put on report and rightly up in front of the panel. But I hope they then view the manner in which Varks reacted when he realised the position he had the player in.

He put the player down like a sleeping baby being put back in his pram. This made the feigning of injury by Campbell an absolute disgrace. It was intended to get Varks sent off and nothing more.

The widnes crowd are a decent bunch when it comes to recognising a player being genuinely injured and I'm pleased to say that the occasions of a player faking it have been few and far between. I hope this doesn't start to creep into the game.

Campbell was roundly booed for his play-acting and I would hope that this booing continues everytime he touches the ball in opposition against Widnes. Disgusting little !!!!!

Feigning injury? Don't be silly. Varkulis didn't lower him to the ground like 'a little baby', he dumped him on his head. It wouldn't have looked out of place in the WWF!
And please stop being so one-eyed. If the tackle had been committed on a Widnes player, the mass of baying idiots ('FORWARD! OFFSIDE!'....repeat ever play for added =#FF0000Do not use language like this again! effect)that make up some of your home crowd would have been demanding blood.
Do you seriously believe a Widnes player would have jumped straight back to his feet from an incident like that? You're living in a dreamworld surrounded by pink elephants made from candy floss if you do.

=#FF0000Jim, you're welcome to post here, you always have been, but don't start using terms like that. You know better than that.

Chris.

And lets keep this topic to the subject at hand and not start a flame war about each others fans, it's pointless as we've never had problems with each other.

Never in a million years...

You obviously weren't at the game or were one of the fans turned round trying to incite the home crowd.
Varks never dropped him... he was placed back on the ground. It was a disgusting act of fraudulence from Campbell and it showed when he sprung to his feet two minutes later. The Widnes fans were rightly in uproar about it.
As I said in my earlier post... our fans are excellent at recognising a player with a genuine injury and this was no such thing. The tackle could have been bad and I don't condone that, but any injury to the player was averted by the actions of Varkulis.

As for living in a dreamworld...it seems like that reading your 'official' match reports. Never have I read so much cock and bull in all my life. According to your website Batley have never lost a game fairly. Instead every loss can be laid at the door of the referee or the deception of the opposition. You are typical of this mindset.

You're a prat.
I've never once read a biased match report on our website, and I'd like you to point out a report to me that says we lost a game unfairly. The guy that writes them is one of the best match writers on the internet in terms of fair reporting. Unlike some outfits in this league, we don't have a problem with 'losing', which comes from not having a vastly over-inflated opinion of our status as a club.
As for Widnes fans being 'excellent at recognising a player with a genuine injury', well done to one and all of you. Its must be a bit like Saints fans and their superb reading of the foward-pass and offside laws in our sport.
Also, thank you to Mr.Varkulis and his act of wonderful of sportsmanship in 'placing' our player on the ground. How kind. I'm surprised he didn't dash into the changing room and bring Campbell out a nice cup of Earl Grey in a lovely hand-decorated china cup to drink whilst he was receiving treatment, such is the obvious saintly nature of the fellow.
If one of our players had done to one of your players what Varkulis did to Campbell, you'd have been crowing for a red card, don't even attempt to deny it.

Quote ="Jim Bergerac"You're a prat. I've never once read a biased match report on our website, and I'd like you to point out a report to me that says we lost a game unfairly. The guy that writes them is one of the best match writers on the internet in terms of fair reporting. Unlike some outfits in this league, we don't have a problem with 'losing', which comes from not having a vastly over-inflated opinion of our status as a club. '" viewtopic.php?f=35&t=444209&p=14907135&hilit=+batley#p14907135 This should suffice to prove my point... Quote ="Jim Bergerac's drivel continued as he" As for Widnes fans being 'excellent at recognising a player with a genuine injury', well done to one and all of you. Its must be a bit like Saints fans and their superb reading of the foward-pass and offside laws in our sport. Also, thank you to Mr.Varkulis and his act of wonderful of sportsmanship in 'placing' our player on the ground. How kind. I'm surprised he didn't dash into the changing room and bring Campbell out a nice cup of Earl Grey in a lovely hand-decorated china cup to drink whilst he was receiving treatment, such is the obvious saintly nature of the fellow. If one of our players had done to one of your players what Varkulis did to Campbell, you'd have been crowing for a red card, don't even attempt to deny it.'" As I said before you obviously weren't watching at the time because you simply don't have a clue... Batley fans are beginning to become renowned for having a fairly large chip on their shoulder. Was the tackle bad?? yes it was.. Varkulis lifted the player into a dangerous position... not sure where anyone has claimed that didn't happen? Once Varks realised what he had done he shifted position and placed the lad down on his back. www.trustinwidnes.com/forum/inde ... 328.0.html As I said before you were probably too busy trying to incite the home support by turning around and gesturing like an idiot. That's why you go to these games then fair enough. It was an exciting day and you probably had a few beers. The fact that we spoke to some exuberant fans coming out of the ground and talked about the same incident (We all agreed it had the potential to hurt the player but Varkulis had acted well) gives me some faith that not all Batley fans are like you or read too much into the match reports you post on the official site.

Quote ="Jim Bergerac"You're a prat. I've never once read a biased match report on our website, and I'd like you to point out a report to me that says we lost a game unfairly. The guy that writes them is one of the best match writers on the internet in terms of fair reporting. Unlike some outfits in this league, we don't have a problem with 'losing', which comes from not having a vastly over-inflated opinion of our status as a club. '" viewtopic.php?f=35&t=444209&p=14907135&hilit=+batley#p14907135 This should suffice to prove my point... Quote ="Jim Bergerac's drivel continued as he" As for Widnes fans being 'excellent at recognising a player with a genuine injury', well done to one and all of you. Its must be a bit like Saints fans and their superb reading of the foward-pass and offside laws in our sport. Also, thank you to Mr.Varkulis and his act of wonderful of sportsmanship in 'placing' our player on the ground. How kind. I'm surprised he didn't dash into the changing room and bring Campbell out a nice cup of Earl Grey in a lovely hand-decorated china cup to drink whilst he was receiving treatment, such is the obvious saintly nature of the fellow. If one of our players had done to one of your players what Varkulis did to Campbell, you'd have been crowing for a red card, don't even attempt to deny it.'" As I said before you obviously weren't watching at the time because you simply don't have a clue... Batley fans are beginning to become renowned for having a fairly large chip on their shoulder. Was the tackle bad?? yes it was.. Varkulis lifted the player into a dangerous position... not sure where anyone has claimed that didn't happen? Once Varks realised what he had done he shifted position and placed the lad down on his back. www.trustinwidnes.com/forum/inde ... 328.0.html As I said before you were probably too busy trying to incite the home support by turning around and gesturing like an idiot. That's why you go to these games then fair enough. It was an exciting day and you probably had a few beers. The fact that we spoke to some exuberant fans coming out of the ground and talked about the same incident (We all agreed it had the potential to hurt the player but Varkulis had acted well) gives me some faith that not all Batley fans are like you or read too much into the match reports you post on the official site.

Quote ="Chris B"viewtopic.php?f=35&t=444209&p=14907135&hilit=+batley#p14907135 This should suffice to prove my point... As I said before you obviously weren't watching at the time because you simply don't have a clue... Batley fans are beginning to become renowned for having a fairly large chip on their shoulder. Was the tackle bad?? yes it was.. Varkulis lifted the player into a dangerous position... not sure where anyone has claimed that didn't happen? Once Varks realised what he had done he shifted position and placed the lad down on his back. www.trustinwidnes.com/forum/inde ... 328.0.html As I said before you were probably too busy trying to incite the home support by turning around and gesturing like an idiot. That's why you go to these games then fair enough. It was an exciting day and you probably had a few beers. The fact that we spoke to some exuberant fans coming out of the ground and talked about the same incident (We all agreed it had the potential to hurt the player but Varkulis had acted well) gives me some faith that not all Batley fans are like you or read too much into the match reports you post on the official site.'" Ahhh. So from one match report you are able to deduce that virtually every match report on our website blames the referee/officials for our defeats. I'm glad that you see fit to make such sweeping generalisations. You claim to have spoken to some 'exuberant' fans on the way out the ground who agreed completely with your assessment of Varkulis' wonderful sportsmanship. Well, I spoke to a couple of 'exuberant' Widnes fans on the way out the ground who agreed with me that Varkulis should have been red-carded. Touche. Its always a good idea to make up incidents to support your point. As for Batley's growing reputation for having fans with a chip on their shoulder, thats like saying Widnes fans DON'T have a chip on their shoulder. Laughable. Would you like me to admit that I was one of the fans who turned round to incite the home crowd? Actually, I was sat pretty close the back of the stand. I had to put up with a bunch of mutants in black and white replica kits who kept turning round to incite the fellow away fans I was sat with whenever there was a controversial moment. And what was the point in posting a link to ANOTHER Widnes forum, which included some further posts from yourself on this incident? Were you attempting to demonstrate that other fans....hang on, other WIDNES fans!.....agreed with you that Campbell was feigning injury after being dumped on his head? Well I never, fans of one club united in their agreement that they've been wronged.

Quote ="Chris B"viewtopic.php?f=35&t=444209&p=14907135&hilit=+batley#p14907135 This should suffice to prove my point... As I said before you obviously weren't watching at the time because you simply don't have a clue... Batley fans are beginning to become renowned for having a fairly large chip on their shoulder. Was the tackle bad?? yes it was.. Varkulis lifted the player into a dangerous position... not sure where anyone has claimed that didn't happen? Once Varks realised what he had done he shifted position and placed the lad down on his back. www.trustinwidnes.com/forum/inde ... 328.0.html As I said before you were probably too busy trying to incite the home support by turning around and gesturing like an idiot. That's why you go to these games then fair enough. It was an exciting day and you probably had a few beers. The fact that we spoke to some exuberant fans coming out of the ground and talked about the same incident (We all agreed it had the potential to hurt the player but Varkulis had acted well) gives me some faith that not all Batley fans are like you or read too much into the match reports you post on the official site.'" Ahhh. So from one match report you are able to deduce that virtually every match report on our website blames the referee/officials for our defeats. I'm glad that you see fit to make such sweeping generalisations. You claim to have spoken to some 'exuberant' fans on the way out the ground who agreed completely with your assessment of Varkulis' wonderful sportsmanship. Well, I spoke to a couple of 'exuberant' Widnes fans on the way out the ground who agreed with me that Varkulis should have been red-carded. Touche. Its always a good idea to make up incidents to support your point. As for Batley's growing reputation for having fans with a chip on their shoulder, thats like saying Widnes fans DON'T have a chip on their shoulder. Laughable. Would you like me to admit that I was one of the fans who turned round to incite the home crowd? Actually, I was sat pretty close the back of the stand. I had to put up with a bunch of mutants in black and white replica kits who kept turning round to incite the fellow away fans I was sat with whenever there was a controversial moment. And what was the point in posting a link to ANOTHER Widnes forum, which included some further posts from yourself on this incident? Were you attempting to demonstrate that other fans....hang on, other WIDNES fans!.....agreed with you that Campbell was feigning injury after being dumped on his head? Well I never, fans of one club united in their agreement that they've been wronged.

The cheating git tried to get Varks sent off by faking injury, then as soon as the ref blew his whistle he jumped up like a spring chicken.
Campbell should be charged for his disgraceful acting show.

Yet another injury expert. I suppose you know exactly how Mr.Campbell felt after being dumped, sorry...placed

, on his head.

I agree, Chris. He did lift Campbell’s legs way above the horizontal and probably should’ve placed him straight back down but, what made it look worse, is he decided to carry him 5 meters back before putting him down. He righted him and forced him down to the ground legs first, or at least in a horizontal position. There didn’t look to be anything that would cause injury. He was definitely not placed on his is head – no way!

Whilst it is impossible to suggest he was play-acting for sure, from his reactions it did look very suspicious. As soon as the ref put varks on report, he bounced straight back up and jumped right back into the action showing no ill effects at all. If you’re as stunned as Campbell appeared to be, it takes a few minutes to shake it off, where you spend a bit of time out of the action. You see it every week on Sky Sports.

In my opinion Campbell was milking the situation. If I thought otherwise I’d say so.

C'mon now Jimbo... enough's enough. You've been made to look like a fool. Time to realise you look like a tit and trot off.

You were adamant about the match reports and you were wrong ....and you're wrong about this.
You're obviously so biased it clouds your opinion of an incident that I still doubt you even saw.
Time to head back to your own board and talk to yourself about the nasty people of Widnes.

The WWN reports Paul Cullen saying that he was furious with the tackle and that if the RFL dont ban Varkulis then the club will deal with the matter internally.

No-ones been made to look a fool. And no amount of silly 'emoticons' mean that I'VE been made to look a fool.
As for the match reports ; you claimed our club website match reports made out that EVERY Batley defeat was down to the performance of the referee/officials/. You actually only found one match report that could be construed as being biased in nature, and failed to produce any other that revealed this supposedly seeping ooze of one-eyedness. Your sweeping generalisations make you look foolish. Where are these other hugely biased match reports?
I am biased towards the efforts of my club and players like any other supporter. You show bias in the fact that you believe Varkulis is clearly in the right and should go unpunished for his saintly actions, and that Campbell was feigning injury. If you are accusing anyone of being biased, then don't go to lengths to indirectly show what a hypocrite you are.
Oh, and you also accused Batley fans of having a chip on our shoulder and inciting the poor old Widnes fans during Sunday's game. I'll leave you to discuss the nasty people of Batley on your own forum. Hypocracy yet again.
Just to remind you again, a long line of emoticons doesn't make you look big or clever, or help to win an argument. In fact its the action of someone with a very limited brain capacity.

Bad tackle, regardless of anything else. If he gets a ban you can't argue.

I think, if Varks had put him straight back down, there wouldn’t have been a problem, perhaps just a penalty. But in carrying him up field upside down before putting him down, he has made a rod for his own back.

Campbell did seem to be milking it though.

We used to have an Aussie forward when we where in SL, whose name escapes me, that used to play the old soldier far more often than I liked to see. He was a decent player, but really used to me off at times.

I was very close to it - He did not drop him on his head, however he put the Batley player down on his back (not as gently as mentioned above tho!) and, I presume, would have winded him a bit. I agree the Batley player milked it and wasn't injured at all. The reason I believe he wasn't sent off was because at no point did Varkulis put his hand between the legs and actually perform a lift. He tackled the Batley player around the waist from the top (the Batley chap was running in with his head down) and the Batley player almost appeared to push up with his legs and put himself in the upside down position. Varks seemed more like "what just happened, what do I do now?" rather than performing a malicious tackle. Hence the delay whilst he decided how to put him down.

I don't believe it warrants a ban, although it's right the RFL look at it.

Jimbo...

Thanks for your psychoanalysis of the use of emoticons within a post. Interesting point and I await the paper you've undoubtedly submitted on the matter within Psychology Journal.
On the match report thing... you wanted me to "point out a report ... that says we lost a game unfairly." I think I adequately did this. Presumably we both agree on that. Job done then...
I also liked your assertion about.." The guy that writes them is one of the best match writers on the internet in terms of fair reporting"... I agree his claims that the independant time keeper playing extra time to allow Widnes to score is about as fair and unbiased as you can get. Just the sort of material you want on an Official match report.

Onto your other drivel now... where did I say that Varkulis deserved to go unpunished.... At the top of my post I said that the incident was correct to be put on report and that he was deservedly up in front of the panel!!!! That line doesn't sound an awful lot like I am saying that Varkulis was in the right. You do not suggest that someone is deservedly up in front of the panel if you think they are completely innocent. I have admitted that it had the potential to be a bad tackle. Hardly the actions of someone supposedly so biased...

However... as everyone.. (with the exception of you) has stated Varkulis then went to some lengths to make sure that the player was not hurt. Campbell then tried to make out that he had suffered a neck injury in the tackle.

You're fighting a losing battle on this one. Time to accept you're in the minority and ship out.
As for the limited brain power remark... I am trully an example of an idiot that has thrived then and if my stupidity has helped me to achieve everything I have then I'm not complaining.

That would just make the whole thing worse, Cullen has gone loopy, that isn't going to sort out any problems in the camp, it's just going to lower morale.

Ok. To sum up and put an end to this, can you provide evidence that Campbell was NOT in some way injured by the tackle, and did not suffer any form of winding, which would have required three or four minutes of recovery time at the most?
Did he appear to you in the crowd and profess to you that he had suffered a neck injury? I think not. I never saw him clutching at his neck in agony. Not once. So he 'tried to make out he had suffered a neck injury'. Did he?
As for being in a minority, I'd like to point out that most of your fellow fans on this thread were not as quick as you to admonish my clubs player as a cheat, instead opting to state more rationally that he 'might' have been feigning injury. Indeed, one Widnes fan who was sat close to the incident even ridicules your claim that Varkulis 'placed' Campbell on the floor like a 'baby'. I suppose he is fibbing just to back me up?
And yes, you are stupid. Just as stupid as the fans who were booing Campbell from the second the referee blew up for the penalty.
As for the match reports, please find me another that blames the referee/officials for a defeat. You claimed that 'every' report blamed the officials. You only provided one. If you want to make a sweeping generalisation that we are a club that blames all our losses on the the match officials, based on one match report, then you really are stupid.

Just remembered it!

Daniel Frame

He regularly feigned injury. It used to wind me up summat naughty that.

Quality player but the kind of player other fans would absolutely hate. Absolute WUM.

Frame was a very good player, massive work rate from him and was probably our most consistent player through the SL era for us. Up there with Relfy in terms of a tough no nonsense type of player.


Anyway.................getting back to Varks, he was initially going about the tackle in a very illegal way but then dropped the player to the ground on his back 'softly' i would put it. Campbell then played the old 'dead man' on the floor for a couple of minutes until the ref put the incident on report. Then praise the lord he got up faster than littlerich in an Abi Titmuss porn show.

Not sure what this Jim dude from Batley is chatting.

I watched Varks for two years at Fax and he NEVER engaged in any dirty play. He was a real honest player and wasn't interested in cheap biff. That said, what he did on Sunday was an absolute disgrace. I wasn't there and didn't see the incident but it looked bloody awful. We can't tolerate people like this in the game.

5 matches I think.

lol littlerich i think you was there.. you just dont want any 'fax fans to find out

Jim,
Things are a lot clearer now. I have diagnosed your condition. At first I was puzzled but then it became clear you literally take everyone for their absolute word. When I said that Varks put him down like a sleeping baby you actually believed that through some sort of act of transmogrification Campbell actually became a sleeping baby and the pitch appeared before all our eyes as the base of a pram.
As for you missing the clutching of his neck... you have never seen a biased report on your website. I have shown you one. You now seem to be backing down from the fact that Varkulis tackled Campbell in a WWF type tackle. It appears that you are conceding ground all over the place and your powers of observation are shaky at best.
As for arguing that Campbell wasn't faking an injury he was merely feigning one....





Terrific. Absolutely terrific. You are right, these are poles apart. Faking or feigning it still means he was pretending to be injured when he wasn't and that has the sole purpose of cheating. The reason that everyone booed Campbell is because more than 2,000 people watched the incident and were disgusted with the play acting of Campbell in an attempt to have Varkulis sent off. He didn't tell me personally that he wasn't injured but Ronaldo never told everyone in the world that he wasn't injured when he used to hit the deck and yet people someone strangely knew. Mainly because of the type of tackle and the players immediate reaction following the incident.
I respect the opinion of my fellow fan who said that he was put down a little more roughly than I suggested. I was sat in the North Stand on the half way line so was near to the incident but it's interesting that he claims the player was not injured in anyway!! So here is a person whose opinion you trust and yet he is another person who believes he was faking it and acknowledges that Varkulis shifted the player so as not to drop him on his head and cause him harm.
As for the stupid comments... keep them coming. I can't technically call you stupid with it being biological in your case but your vitriolic lambasting is amusing to me.
As for the match reports I noticed that these have, for the vast majority, been removed from the site... presumably out of embarrassment. The fact remains. You said I wouldn't find one.. I found one straight away. You made a challenge. I was a match for it.
This whole thread was you trying to argue that Varkulis dropped Campbell on his head and that Campbell did not fake his injury. Looks fairly conclusive that I have the support on this one. Forgive me for no longer wishing to enter into your petulant little world.
I hope you are true to your word and decide to remain away from this thread.






More emoticons there... good luck in your quest to notify all emoticon users that they are deficient brain wise.

Exactly my friend!