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| Tearing up Super League at present, worst loss since Sean Long?
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| Quote ="richardviking"Tearing up Super League at present, worst loss since Sean Long?'"
The Long deal was a great move for the club financially.
The Richie deal is/was and will be galling for the forseeable future.
He is a SL star.
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| Probably, will end up at Saints/Wigan/Warrington in the next 2 years if he continues his progression.
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| Quote ="-VIKINGMAN-"Probably, will end up at Saints/Wigan/Warrington in the next 2 years if he continues his[i progression[/i.'"
Warrington? Do you mean "regression"?
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| It is very hard for clubs who are not in SL to hang onto young players. Players at the age of 16 are being offered considerably more by Saints and Wire --up to 4 times more--what would you advise your son to do??
Its vital that we get in SL to hang onto our talented youngsters.
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| Can't see what more we could have done though. It wasn't a case of the club letting him go. We offered him very very good terms as best we could without having a club at the time. Those assurances weren't good enough for him and he bailed!
Other players at the club stayed loyal he skipped. Nothing we could do!!
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| Thanks guys for ur casy off!!!!
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH RITCHIE MYLER....THE ONLY MAN IN WIDNES WITH A FULL TIME JOB
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| Thats rich from someone from Salford..........isnt that the poorest city in the country???
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| Quote ="wardleyred"Thanks guys for ur casy off!!!!
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH RITCHIE MYLER....THE ONLY MAN IN WIDNES WITH A FULL TIME JOB
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Says the man from Salford, robbed any cars lately?
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| Quote ="-VIKINGMAN-"Says the man from Salford, robbed any cars lately?
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You could have asked if they had killed any deer which had wandered into Pendleton from the countryside.
Now, any other urban area in Britain would find a pair of deer wandering into its streets an amazing thing. Parents would call out their children to see the spectacle of two fine wild deer walking about so close to their homes. Responsible people might phone the RSPCA to get help for the lost animals in case any harm came to them.
Not the residents of Salford though. Instead, the locals bricked the male deer until they killed it and frightened the doe until it ran off and was caught in railings. Residents ran from their homes and attacked the animal until the RSPCA finally did arrive to rescue it.
They've got some scum living in Salford who let down the four or five decent families who live there every time.
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| sour grapes me thinks boys and girls
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| Quote ="wardleyred"sour grapes me thinks boys and girls'"
Were you dropped on your head as a kid?
Cause you ing should have been.
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| Quote ="In EnemyTerritory"Can't see what more we could have done though. It wasn't a case of the club letting him go. We offered him very very good terms as best we could without having a club at the time. Those assurances weren't good enough for him and he bailed!
Other players at the club stayed loyal he skipped. Nothing we could do!!'"
I still dont think he ever got an offer. Unless Lol Ogburn was offering him terms at his 'takeover' night at the Village.
Salford where fast out of the blocks down to a Widnes native I believe and Alan Hunte pushed it through with Mcrae.
Sad but that's the way it works.
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| Quote ="widneslardboy"I still dont think he ever got an offer. Unless Lol Ogburn was offering him terms at his 'takeover' night at the Village.
Salford where fast out of the blocks down to a Widnes native I believe and Alan Hunte pushed it through with Mcrae.
Sad but that's the way it works.'"
As I understand it he was offered attractive terms through the club officials from both interested parties to stay.
Despite what everyone says there was never a chance of us losing the club with us having 2 interested parties for much of the process.
There were also a number of rumours circulating (from sources claiming to be Myler's friends) that his length of stay at Salfud will be deemed by Wigan. There is no doubting that his ambition (or his step dad's ambition for that matter) is far greater than either Widnes or Salfud.
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| Enjoy him while you can Wardley.We couldn't keep him and neither will Salford.Leeds would have been well impressed with him yesterday.
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| Massive loss, he has the potential to be a world beater within the next 12 to 18 months. Shame but he would probably have always moved on anyway.
And as for the petty salford slating, chill out lads, wardleyred is only trying to have a laugh. Plus Salford is one of the most modern and upcoming NW towns/cities. You do realise there is more to Solly than 'Weaste' and Ordsall don't you?
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| Quote ="In EnemyTerritory"As I understand it he was offered attractive terms through the club officials from both interested parties to stay.
Despite what everyone says there was never a chance of us losing the club with us having 2 interested parties for much of the process.
There were also a number of rumours circulating (from sources claiming to be Myler's friends) that his length of stay at Salfud will be deemed by Wigan. There is no doubting that his ambition (or his step dad's ambition for that matter) is far greater than either Widnes or Salfud.'"
Neither of which took control of the club so the lad was vindicated in the fact that he went elsewhere to ply his trade.
Im not sure I would have taken a deal off either of the two parties known to the public who where interested in the club.
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| As I said.. no-one apart from those on TIW (who whipped themselves up into a frenzy) thought that we wouldn't have a club following the process and when both interested parties at that stage made an attempt to retain the lad I would have expected a little more loyalty from someone who had had so much time and effort invested in him as a youngster.
Of course the lad can feel vindicated.. he is now playing SL and will shortly move to one of the bigger clubs I'm sure.. but to jump ship so early instead of even hanging on to see what would happen annoyed quite a few people that had worked with him for so long. He had Salfud at his beck and call and could have waited another week or two.
His leaving was disappointing but the way in which he left was galling for some.
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| Quote ="In EnemyTerritory"As I said.. no-one apart from those on TIW (who whipped themselves up into a frenzy) thought that we wouldn't have a club following the process and when both interested parties at that stage made an attempt to retain the lad I would have expected a little more loyalty from someone who had had so much time and effort invested in him as a youngster.
Of course the lad can feel vindicated.. he is now playing SL and will shortly move to one of the bigger clubs I'm sure.. but to jump ship so early instead of even hanging on to see what would happen annoyed quite a few people that had worked with him for so long. He had Salfud at his beck and call and could have waited another week or two.
His leaving was disappointing but the way in which he left was galling for some.'"
Have to say he made the right call in going to Salford when he did probably the decision that will make his career and good luck to him. He's a class player and still only 18. If he'd stayed at Widnes it would have been completely wrong for him on all levels and he was actually devastated to leave, but had no choice really. It's Widnes' own fault for not winning the 2007 Grand final. He's had the opportunity to show super league his talents and is undoubtedly the future of international rugby league in this country, just hope Union don't come calling.
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| Quote ="Gregory Peck"Have to say he made the right call in going to Salford when he did probably the decision that will make his career and good luck to him. He's a class player and still only 18. If he'd stayed at Widnes it would have been completely wrong for him on all levels and he was actually devastated to leave, but had no choice really. It's Widnes' own fault for not winning the 2007 Grand final. He's had the opportunity to show super league his talents and is undoubtedly the future of international rugby league in this country, just hope Union don't come calling.'"
I'm more inclined to side with IET to be honest - spending 1 or even 2 more seasons at Widnes wouldn't have harmed Myler's long term future in the slightest. IMO dumping Widnes for another NL1 club after Widnes had spent so much time, effort and money developing the lad was extremely poor. Do people just not have any loyalty these days? I read on the TIW site the other day about what are the chances of Widnes keeping hold of good youngsters whilst we are not in SL. Somebody asked the question, what would you be advising your son if you where in that position (insinuating that everyone would encourage their son to move on) I'm sorry but with me being a Widnes fan, I think I would be advising my son to repay a little loyalty and see how things pan out before you make your choice. Of course I wouldn't expect an outstanding talent to stay in the Championship year after year in the hope that Widnes may eventually get in to SL, but another season at least wouldn't have done him any harm, (especially considering he didn't even move up a division).
At the end of the day, what Myler did was good for Myler and Myler only and I can't quite see where the defending of him comes from. He jumped ship at his 1st opportunity and showed that he couldn't give a about what he was leaving behind. Sorry but as much as I admire him as a player, I think his attitude towards the club stunk. People talk quite harshly about some of the other players that left but for some reason Myler seems to be beyond criticism. Players like Jordan James or Ollie Wilkes a) probably had no emotional tie with the club b) are in the prime of their careers so can't afford to hold back and c) possibly have far more financial responsibilities than a young lad and when they left it was pretty much expected. IMO a comparison in soccer was Wayne Rooney - the main differences being Everton were well compensated financially and Rooney left for what many people call the biggest club in the world - Myler left for Salford and Widnes got nothing.
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| Quote ="vikings 4 ever"I'm more inclined to side with IET to be honest - spending 1 or even 2 more seasons at Widnes wouldn't have harmed Myler's long term future in the slightest. IMO dumping Widnes for another NL1 club after Widnes had spent so much time, effort and money developing the lad was extremely poor. Do people just not have any loyalty these days? I read on the TIW site the other day about what are the chances of Widnes keeping hold of good youngsters whilst we are not in SL. Somebody asked the question, what would you be advising your son if you where in that position (insinuating that everyone would encourage their son to move on) I'm sorry but with me being a Widnes fan, I think I would be advising my son to repay a little loyalty and see how things pan out before you make your choice. Of course I wouldn't expect an outstanding talent to stay in the Championship year after year in the hope that Widnes may eventually get in to SL, but another season at least wouldn't have done him any harm, (especially considering he didn't even move up a division).
At the end of the day, what Myler did was good for Myler and Myler only and I can't quite see where the defending of him comes from. He jumped ship at his 1st opportunity and showed that he couldn't give a poop about what he was leaving behind. Sorry but as much as I admire him as a player, I think his attitude towards the club stunk. People talk quite harshly about some of the other players that left but for some reason Myler seems to be beyond criticism. Players like Jordan James or Ollie Wilkes a) probably had no emotional tie with the club b) are in the prime of their careers so can't afford to hold back and c) possibly have far more financial responsibilities than a young lad and when they left it was pretty much expected. IMO a comparison in soccer was Wayne Rooney - the main differences being Everton were well compensated financially and Rooney left for what many people call the biggest club in the world - Myler left for Salford and Widnes got nothing.
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Disagree completely all Widnes had to do at to keep Myler and probably be in super league now was to win a game aganst Castleford, the likes of Doran, TKL, Wilkes, James they had the opportunity to do something about it. Myler was if i'm right in saying 17 at the time he'd made his debut 2 or 3 weeks earlier against Batley and in 15 minutes showed his class, yet he wasn't in a position whereby he could determine his future by what he did on the pitch, that was in the hands of others who simply did not perform. He showed what a prodigous talent he is and is showing that now. Staying at Widnes would have done more harm than good for him and i for one can not slate him or his family for ushering him to move on. At the end of the day he's going to have a fantastic career, wherever it takes him, whilst we're going to be languishing atleast for the next couple of years possibly much longer, so i don't see why there should be any bitterness from any Widnes fans towards the guy. Everytime i've seen him play i've been impressed and it would have been great to see him doing it for widnes, but we didn't deserve it, so we'll have to bring through some other top youngsters in the next couple of years and if we can't get in to super league and they're clearly good enough then they will have to move on.
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| That's all we had to do to keep him sorry we let him down..
Richie Myler is out for one person.. Richie Myler.. which is fine because at least you know where you stand with him.
I don't think anyone at Salfud expects the kid to hang round there for very much longer once one of the bigger clubs come a knocking.. He won't be visiting Wembley or Old Trafford whilst at Salfud.
I think if some of the people at Widnes RLFC had known he would have deserted the club at the very first chance then they probably wouldn't have spent so much time and effort on nurturing his precocious talent for so long. Someone else could have had the privilege of doing that.
As V4E said... If he had moved to a SL club then probably fine.. otherwise it would have been decent of him to have repaid the club a little by hanging around until he got the offer to play SL.. or at least waited until he knew what the state the club would emerge in after the debacle.
People wouldn't feel so sore about the thing if he had moved to Salfud once the announcements were made on the 22/07.. As it stands.. it was a pretty selfish move to make and that is why some people don't remember him too fondly.
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I think if some of the people at Widnes RLFC had known he would have deserted the club at the very first chance then they probably wouldn't have spent so much time and effort on nurturing his precocious talent for so long. Someone else could have had the privilege of doing that.
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Just to jump in and go slightly off topic IET.
The club do put alot of time and expense into junior rugby which is also matched by the dedication of the players, staff and families involved.
Clubs will always feel at a loss when they lose top juniors early but on the flip side there are always going to be a number of young players who havent made it going the same way out of the doors of clubs academies with very little in the way of future help from clubs and feeling equally aggrieved.
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As V4E said... If he had moved to a SL club then probably fine.. otherwise it would have been decent of him to have repaid the club a little by hanging around until he got the offer to play SL.. or at least waited until he knew what the state the club would emerge in after the debacle.
People wouldn't feel so sore about the thing if he had moved to Salfud once the announcements were made on the 22/07.. As it stands.. it was a pretty selfish move to make and that is why some people don't remember him too fondly.'"
Whats the alternative IET ? Bearing in mind the Salford offer was good considering his age, full time with a place in the 1st team squad.
Lets say he hangs around, repays Widnes's faith in him as those expect of him, the club gets taken over and he gets a part time playing deal.
Then what ? He's an ambitious kid who wants to make it and realistically that aint what you want to be offered.
There are so many permetations that it must have been a minefield for the kid and his family and that is why I dont feel any kind of negativity towards the lad and even Salford now they are enjoying some success.
As ive already said in the previous post it works both ways.
Myler looked after #1 and took his path.
Widnes look after themselves and let kids go season after season. Kids who where signed on promises and had hopes built up for both themselves and their families. It's the fickle nature of academy rugby and the transition to first team squads.
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