Are you gloating, Starbug?

Looks that way,top of the leagues gone to his head.........

Shit


It's the only idea this coaching team can ever come up with. We played one of our academy lads at fullback against Batley, and he was our MOM. He'll probably be dropped for Halifax.

Just be thankful you have a franchise or else Thursdays match would already be a relegation "four-pointer".

"Relegated to Super League - 2011" would look great on a T-shirt next season though..

With any luck, Wakefield will reach the play-offs and then be relegated, Crusaders and Quins may well be in the bottom three and stay up - what a complete farce!

Il say he hasn't got a kicking game but others may disagree with me on that.

In fairness to the club we are struggling a little in the halves so I can understand this dual regger more than the previous two where we did have kids ready. Grant Gore had his first game back for the reserves on Saturday and it seemed to take it out of him a hell of a lot so he ain't ready yet. Gilmore injured still and I don't think the others in the reserves will step up nor the ones in 18's ready yet.

Starry as I see it they are free to negotiate elswhere but are still contracted. Just won't be considered for the first team.

FWIW Dave Allen will get a SL deal. Of that I am in no doubt regardless of his massive drop in form. TOC is too much of a fan of his.

I don't think for one minute that Widnes will be relegated. However, picture this scenario. In July, Halifax get a SL license and Wakefield and Cas are dumped out ....

Then, the Championship bottom 5 at the end of the season looks like this ...

7. Barrow
8. York
9. Widnes (going into SL)
10. Halifax (going into SL)
11. Toulouse (Exempt from relegation)

This scenario would mean that Barrow and York would be relegated into Championship 1 !!! I know there may well be yet another re-structure next season, but this is how ludicrous the Licensing system can be.

In August Wakefield win the Challenge Cup and in Super League Castleford are surprise Grand Final winners.

Talk your way out of that one mssrs Lewis and Woods !!

Fax won't get a license. Just being strung along to keep clubs on their toes.

Since the ' confirmation ' I have been a fairly regular contributor on this board , as long as we all avoid ' financial ' matters , we should be fine

Not really no , it's quite sad really , you should be kicking the SL door down , instead it looks like you'll be asking Nigel to leave a key under the mat when the season ends and sneaking in when it's gone dark

I don't think anyone would disagree that his kicking game isn't his strong point mate.

Allen isn't even Championship 1 standard , let alone SL , and the fact that one or all of your coaching staff rate him good enough tells you exactly the problem you have

A very good player in a decent Barrow side and one player they were disappointed to lose. He has shown glimpses of his ability but this side is being poorly coached and his performances have suffered as a result.

Still you judge him all you want on two very poor team performances.

You're loving this, aren't you?

It's like a ing wet dream to you.

Look, the licence process is almost as e as the w@ankers coaching our team. Nearly all of us feel this way here, so you are preaching to the wise. try the VT, you might get a bite there.

He's like a rubbernecker slowing down to drive past a road traffic accident.

He has always been poor , even when he was up at Barrow , he has no ' Heart ' ,

Starry that's poor even by your troll standards.

He's well off the boil at the moment but he went well early on when coming off the bench I thought.

He is O'Connors old car share partner to Wigan though which makes me believe he's safe regardless. Similar for Finnigan too.

I won't say it isn't amusing , are you suggesting our ' demise ' in 2009 wasn't the same for yourselves ? , but just as yourself , I find this particular action , absolutely crazy , if you get a couple of injuries you could be in real trouble , yes bollok them , drop them , make them play in the reserves for a couple of weeks , but publicly humiliate and release them , just crazy

He's a football player masquerading as a RL player , it was commented on how he was your top tackler against us , that's because he is your main ' spot ' player , he is targeted every time we play against him

No way... you're thinking of a different player. He was class for us before he was made el capitan...On his day he's one of the better back rowers in this division.

Not really, I didn't want to see Leigh go down.

What our coaching staff are doing, is simply trying to save their own skins by trying to defect the blame from them and on to the players - four players in particular. Four players that wern't even the worst on show. Madness to us, saving their jobs for them.

This is a bit more than just about Widnes, for you though. You’re here having a go at the licence system and hoping that you can get someone to defend it so you can say that we are all changing and favouring it because it seems to be favouring us. Well, this isn’t the case.

WHAT THE MOTHERTRUCKING MOTHERTRUCKER!!!! ive only just clocked that, so they have actually been 'released' then? rather than just told they wont be offered new contracts? WTF!!!!! THATS EVEN MORE INSANE! HOW TO COMPLETELY FUCK UP A SEASON, SQUAD AND ITS MORALE IN ONE FELL SWOOP: BY DENNIS BETTS!!!!!!

I’m not sure this is entirely about Denis Betts. We’ve been here before with Webster and Ford (again), last season. Paul Cullen was in charge then. Coincidence?

I think not

its time for a revolution. free your mind steve Oconnor.

If I remember correctly in the days leading up to us signing him, Barrow were under the impression that they were re-signing him and Des Johnson called him the best player in the Championship. Admittedly he is not playing well at the moment, but not many are. From watching us recently, you would say that Gardner, Ropati, Tyrer, Leuluai and Allen all can't tackle and that Thackeray, Ropati, Pickersgill, Netherton and Allen are all useless in general - but it doesn't necessarily mean they are bad players. There seems to be a bit of a cloud over the club at the minute and not a very good environment to work in. Are they bad players, poorly coached, worried about not getting a contract next year so they are not bothered? unless you are a player at the club, its very difficult to pinpoint exactly why seeming good players are playing badly.

If there has been trouble behind the scenes with players attitude called into question or bust ups, I think you've got to back the club over the player(s). If the club think that they are weeding out the bad apples, there must be a reason for it. I honestly don't think TO'C, Betts or PC have just bascially picked on 4 players just to cover their own backs. I guess it remains to be seen, however if their actions have a positive effect, or just alienate the players and fans further. Seems a bit of a last roll of the dice move and if the club have got it wrong, obviously things are only going to get worse. Things were always going to be very difficult on Thursday and Monday, so I am at least going to stay undecided about this until the players have been back out on the pitch.