Your defo troll of the year and a cocksucker.Well if it was on best team in championship go up and worst in superleague go down i would agree.If no salary cap i am sure ste oconnor would splash his money to smash the league.At the end of the day, if got great players and a good coach you can win the league.You lucky to have a great coach in kear.Why you here when your team is in superleague already? Most wakey fans ok except cocks like you need windmilling.

All teams would like superleague and to come here spouting is a disgrace.Why wakey got the god given right aswell?To stop animosity i prefer promotion and relegation every year.I think if this was the case i be confident widnes would go up if could spend.So go away until got a goodpoint you wakey idiot.

If you think clubs only "rent" the stadiums every two weeks then you are deluded. Oh and as for being relegated, yes your right, but you seem to have just concentrated on the one poor season Fax and Widnes had, what about when Fax finnished 3rd? Something Barrow will never achieve in SL

I have to admire your persistence but you really do need to learn that your club IS a long way behind Widnes in terms of development.

Your crowds are no where near as high or as consistent as ours. Rented ground or not, our stadium was built for the purpose of homing a professional rugby league team and it's one of the best in the game, get over it!!!

You have 1 more trophy than us in the cabinet for last season, your first season in the Championship one swallow does not make a summer!

As for our Super League track record, we had 4 seasons and would not have been relegated were it not for us making way for Les Cats. How many seasons did Barrow have in Super League? That's right, you've not even played in Super League!

You have an interesting way of putting a spin on things to make your club somehow on a par with ours. Wake up lad, your club is progressing in the right direction but you have a massive amount of work to do to get to anything like the successful business/sports model that we have in place.

Is contract value to that firm the same as the total cost to the Wolves for building the stadium? I very much doubt it is.

So I come on here and make a valid point in support off P/R and that makes me "cocksucker" in your words. Because I believe in the idea off P/R I need windmilling

Pathetic keyboard warrior!

As for splashing the cash to get promoted, well we know what happened in 2007 which ended in that embarrassing performance in the GF against Cas.

Wakefield have a god given right to be in SL because we earned our place there...Fact! Many years we have battled against adversity to earn our place. I would be happy for the draw bridge to be back open and take our chances with the P/R system.

I despise the franchise system that moves the game away from the merit off on-field performances. Fortunately for us our new ground is looking promising and things seem very rosy for the next round of franchises.

I've said nothing about you having no right to better yourselves.

I passionately believe in P/R and totally despise the Franchise system. I am completely against expansion at all cost of the heartlands. So I don't see what the problem is. It seems to be that a lot of Widnes fans on here are now coming round to the idea of the franchise system because they seem to think they are a shoe in for one. It seems to be this view point is being held because of their lack of ability to win the Cham/NL GF. Win the GF then you can spout!

So all this




Was just you saying we should still have P and R ?

If that is the case you would not have had anybody disagreeing with you

Maybe you would be better contacting the RFL and telling them

No you didn’t. You came on here to tell us that Widnes’ bid should be judged the same way as it would with P&R, even though we are in the licence era. That is nothing to do with P&R. It’s just a frightened Wakey fan ting himself and crying.



In a system of P&R, that would be a fact. But we now have a licence system, so you don’t anymore – FACT!


So do I.

I’d do away with it in an instant, whether Widnes benefited from it or not. You won’t find many Widnes fans who’d argue with that.


That’s what you said last time. Until work actually begins on your new stadium, you have f**k all to shout about.

No we're not. We are dealing with the reality of the licence era. You are simply making assumptions.

We've already won a GF.

I'm saying the license system is a disgrace! If Widnes had won the last 2 GF I'm sure you would be saying the same. There is a perception that Widnes some how seem to think they are best club in the championship and they deserve to be in SL. Win the GF then come back to me

Until (in the very unlikely event) the project collapses you have f**k all to shout about.

No you’re not. You are saying Widnes are, because you want them to meet P&R rules in a licence era because it would suit Wakey.


With good reason and you know it, or you wouldn’t be here getting all confused and whinging.


They are not the rules anymore, are they?

Why is the license system bothering you so much? oh yeah thats right Wakefield are probably the most vulnerable to be dropped out and Widnes the most likely to be put in. The fact that Barrow won the last grand final means bugger all except ticking a box under the current rules. Harsh some might say but they are the rules, Widnes have concentrated on building the correct balanced squad so we can enter super league next time. We have around 7 home grown players in the squad and have produced a recent international through our system in Richie Myler. The reason why most of us are confident of our chances is we have everything in place where as others dont. Call it confident or say it shouldnt be that way but they are the rules. If it were still promotion and relegation the squad would be a lot stronger than it currently is and with less reliance on youth.

We have plenty to shout about, no matter what Wakey do.

A little Freudian slip here I think. Obviously you see your own club as the most likely to be dropped.

Let's have a look at some facts....

FACT Widnes will win the Grand Final
FACT Widnes will win the Northern Rail Cup

As for Super League entry then God only knows but facts 1 and 2 will cheer me up no end when we've put one over on some o these snot nosed d*ckheads on this forum.

Up the fooking Chemics!!!!

That is the point , there is nothing there TO collapse , until there is keep your powder dry , dont forget We've been through all this at Leigh , it took 8 years and the RFL still didn't acknowledge the thing was actually there when it was 3/4 s built

Explain why we would share the same bizarre opinion as yours under those circumstances.



This is your perception, you came on here to troll and none of us have shoved this 'perception' down your throat. So why should it be up to us to come back and prove a point which you started in the first place and we don't particularly care about?

Poor stupid confused troll.

We don't care.

If by 'coming round to the idea' you mean acceptance of the franchise system then yes it is logical to say that we have accepted it. However, I don't quite get how you come to the conclusion that we accept this system just because you think we believe we are a shoe in?
Please explain how you arrive at this bizarre assumption.



What is this obsession with us not being entitled to be confident of a franchise spot just because we've not won the Grand Final? We've satisfied the on field criteria set out by the RFL and now we've got another 12 months to further cement our position on the field. Off the field we appear to have got everything else in place. Is this the real reason why you're on here acting all jealous about us 'spouting'? It seems that your mindless 'winning the Grand Final' rant is the only argument you've got against anything reasonable that we respond with.

Your 'view point' is simply a figment of your very muddled and slightly retarded imagination. We've accepted the franchise system because they are the rules we now have to play by. Fortunately for our club we can safely say that we are satisfying those rules and stand a very good chance in the next round of applications. The only reason you are on here is because your club cannot say the same and is running on borrowed time in Super League.

If the next round of Franchises were to be announced today we would be guaranteed. How could we be possibly behind Salford and Castleford under the current scoring system? The only way we would not get awarded a franchise would be if Salford and Cas get a new stadium along with us not getting one and the Wrexham franchise turned into a success! Thats a few big ifs to come together for us to be denied our rightful place.

It would be in Wakefields interests for the franchise system to continue rather leave ourselfs open to a bad season of performances. But it would be happy to take that chance in the interests of RL overhaul. It looks to be that a lack of P/R is killing the game below SL and this is a situation that can't continue.

So you're argument has now changed completely. Yet you persist in avoiding answering any questions raised from your previous rantings...

Jog on.....

So what’s this all about then?


I really couldn’t give a sh/t how you think you stack up with Cas or Salford, but the RFL have said someone is definitely going down. None of these clubs, including Wakey, have a God given right anymore than we do anyway.

I think you may find a history of broken promises about improving your ground, low attendances and finances will be taken into account come licence time.

We're not coming around to it. We simply have that system and no way of changing that so that is the system we are operating in. You can't be suggesting that because most of us disagree with the system we should not try to operate within it can you? Our aim is the top league. Our only chance is by having a good license. So that's what were going for. We have to replace someone, it's likely to be you although it could be Castleford, Salford, Celtic or even Hull KR although I doubt that very much. But someone from this league, at least one, is coming up, someone is going down. Don't blame us for the system and don't come on here spouting e.

Ignoring the fact that most of us don't really care who we would replace as long as we are the one doing the replacing, this has been said far, far too often to have a shred of credibility. Your club has lied to the fans too often for any such announcement to mean a single thing until there is sufficient building work done, which you don't have.

But to go back on my original point, our license bid is not reliant on you at all. We don't care about you. We don't care about you, Castleford, Salford. We don't care. We have something to shout about. Lots. Including trophies.

Do you practice naivety in front of a mirror? Wakefield are ahead of Harlequins of any metric you could name. Do you think the RFL would drop them before you? If the RFL want Wakefield out of SL in 2012 then they will do it no matter what 'points' you have accumulated.