What you are basically saying is if any player has played for a different club and had the audacity to beat us playing for that club, we have every right to abuse him?

If I'm right in the above assumption, then the only players who are beyond reproach are the ones who have played for the club since they were 16 and never left to play against us (and believe me, some of the best homegrown players have come for plenty of unwarranted stick in the past).

Well IMO, on both counts you are very wrong.

By your reckoning we should be booing Wildbore, Mills, Hartley, Doran, Gaskell, Varkulis, TKL, Thackeray, Duffy, Webster, Gannon, Smith, Fletcher, Morrison and Bannister as I am sure most if not all of these have played in teams that have beaten Widnes in the past

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If a player comes to Widnes and plays for us, as long as he is doing his best (regardless of ability) then it is our duty to encourage and cheer for any player who pulls the shirt on his back.

The exception, as MOZ has pointed out is part of the 2005 squad.

I take your point about professionalism but we have to treat players as that. If every homegrown player played for their home town team then the likes of Leeds would have 1st team squads of around 250



They have a right to earn a crust from the game wherever they choose and are wanted.

Long gone are the days of 12 locals and a South African.

Toa Khoe Love is the biggest culprit of the lot, class player no doubt, but should we really be behind a guy who is just happy filling his pockets, especially after his behaviour following the 2007 grand final defeat, it's laughable

what an absolute idiot you are !!

they play for the team they are playing for do you even know what you are talking about !!

how could webbo and thacks want widnes to win when they are playing on the opposing side ??

get a life mate

I agree, Gregory's peck is an idiot.

This is just so wrong on every level.


There is no excuse, WHATSOEVER, for directing personal abuse at players!


It is a disgusting and cowardly action carried out by brain dead morons with the IQ of an amoeba, and it is absolutely guaranteed to be counter productive.


HTH

chill out, i think people are entitled to express their opinions simple as i'm expressing mine i see a bunch of individuals simple filling their pockets, enjoying the handouts and soon as the s hits thefan its bye, bye of wait your alright now i'll come back get real!!

there's no need for personal insults i do have feelings you know

Whats going on !! too much agression floating around



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I`m giving it till after Fridays game until I let rip





So fingers crossed I won`t have to

I'm all for expressing opinions, but foul mouthed personal abuse has nothing to do with expressing opinions.




Are you talking about Doran, TKL or someone else?



I don't see a single player doing this. They're not all great, but that's not necessarily due to what you have written. We've even had youngsters like Yates abused and booed off the field by some thick b4stards.


Even if it was due to what you claim,which happens relatively rarely imo, fans that abuse players from the safety of a crowd are the lowest form of 5hithouse imaginable. The sooner our club can rid itself of them the sooner we might be able to generate a great club and team spirit that will take us where we want to be.

If certain players don't perform they will be dropped and will not have their contract renewed. The constant abuse of players, by unknowledgeable fans, is totally counter productive and can only help contribute to a downward spiral in team morale and our once great club will go that way too.

Pepe, you are guilty of seeing the bigger picture with your last post - shame on you

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The fact that Gregory Pr!ck thinks that players should hang about when they haven't been payed and can't see themselves being payed for the foreseeable future speaks volumes for his knowledge of anything.

Tell me, who needs to worry about feeding and clothing the kids or keeping a roof over their heads - obviously not our rich Hollywood knobthrob Gregory

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I too am totally fed up with imbeciles who think they have the answer to everything and feel they have the right to slag players off because they don't perform to the highest standards available - if they want the highest class of rugby about then they can all off to Saints.

your right i'm not a true fan

Some people are just confused due to either arrogance or low intellect. It makes them jump to conclusions about the team and individual player performances. They have a poor level of understanding of the game, and cannot understand that there will be things going on behind the scenes of any well run club that will automatically sort out the wheat from the chaff. They have no idea what injuries some players maybe carrying or if a player may asked to change his style or position. The style of play maybe restricted, due to poor recruitment and lack of Size/speed or cover in certain positions and a myriad of other issues could be part of the problems they regard as serious enough to froth at the mouth about.

Many of these issues will be going on unseen behind the scenes at the club and, therefore, the people at the club will be in a far better place to judge what is really going on. I've every faith in the people running the club and, as such, I do not need to scream insults at players doing their proffessional best for the club, even if their performances fall short of my personally required standard. I may express some concern, and indeed criticise certain players after a poor performance, but I'm always aware that I do not have the full story and may even be wrong.

It's just easier for them to pin everything on certain players. They don't have to think that way, and it probably makes them feel good doing it afer two pints of Stella.

Gregory Peck urged me to chill out. I wonder if he is able to see the irony of his request?





Oh, by the way, concerning your avatar; is that the painting L.S. Lowry did in Widnes

Care to elaborate so I can understand who and what you are talking about, and how you have come to know what you think you know?


And could you please explain how verbally abusing them from the saftey of the stand will help rectify such a problem?

i don't think i said verbal abuse of the players was the way to go, infact i have never verbally abused a player myself, however other people who have payed their money have a right to air their views their are different methods ofcourse. Many prefer to do this from the comfort of their computer, others will do face to face, there isn't much difference.

The thing with people who scream and shout at games is that they probably never get the opportunity to vent their everyday frustrations due to a lack of bottle. Maybe their wives henpeck them or something and they feel that the only way to get things out of their system is to shout at players who usually don't answer back.

I vent my frustrations (usually work related - not the wife, she's watching me)

at the opposition tactics or a refs bad judgements. I never will understand why people do it to their own team. IMO you may as well not follow them.



It is mate. Factory at Widnes it's called. I believe it's in a gallery in Christchurch NZ.

Yes there is.

I'm writing calmly to 'Gregory Peck' and you're writing 5hite to 'Pepe Le Pew'.



Paying money does not give anyone the right to verbally abuse anyone. Supporting this attitude is almost equally unacceptable.

As you admit yourself:

There are other ways to express your dismay; we've all called players a stupid c**t in the heat of the moment, but snarling verbal abuse directly at players with members of their families present is disgusting and, I'll say it again, COUNTER PRODUCTIVE!

Cheers.

Do you know which factory it was?

Not 100% sure mate but I'd like to believe it's Boultings as my Nan used to work there - and it was one of the most famous chimneys in the town!

No can't say i have ever done this, but in my opinion from experience of bridgend last year the players deserved all verbals they could have got, cos at the end of the day someone had to tell them, cos the coach certainly didn't, as regards to friday night there was only one player in particular who did not give 100% imho The verbal abuse of Thackray, although i amnot a fan of his was probably uncalled for, however tensions do run high and some people get carried away, this is not say they are any less a fan.

It's not about who's the bestest fan. It's about what is right and what is wrong. The people who abuse players are wrong and you are very wrong too for defending their actions.



Simples!

for gregory peck !

no player deserves verbal abuse no matter how they play!!

at the end of the day would you like someone giving you abuse at work?
no so don't do it, people who do should be picked out and banned from the stadium and the idiot that shouted abuse at thackeray should be aswell

i can't even believe you would condone it, or even take part.
the fans are the people who support there club no matter what and if you can't do that then yes you are not a true fan !

Yes they are. In fact I'd go as far as to say they were sub human. The abuse at Bridgend was disgusting. Those fans lost complete self dignity and self control that day, just as the moronic bell ends at Halifax did the other night. These people do not deserve to wear the black and white and in fact should not even be allowed to procreate.

i agree with you completly !

Chemical castration?


Or maybe the two brick method?