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| Deducted 3 points for a salary cap breach, what a stain on the great game and our stronghold of a championship I say!
The get a relegation reprieve then break cap rules too reach the top?
I for one am disgusted!
[size=150Lobbies out!!![/size
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| Quote ="J20"Deducted 3 points for a salary cap breach, what a stain on the great game and our stronghold of a championship I say!
The get a relegation reprieve then break cap rules too reach the top?
I for one am disgusted!
[size=150Lobbies out!!![/size'"
Never mind these ' rumours ' , have you managed to work out how you have 15 teams playing 29 league games each yet ?
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| Excuse me we don't want your dishonest, cheating sort on our honest, hard working championship board.
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| Quote ="J20"Excuse me we don't want your dishonest, cheating sort on our honest, hard working championship board.'"
Just trying educate you my son , or is it because you have figured out that what you put is in fact impossible ?
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| its a bloody disgrace. I feel sick. looby gobblers. should be ashamed of yourselfs. moaning about the costs of the LSV when your blowing the dosh you do have on your first team, in illegal ways
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| Quote ="vikingsmurf"its a bloody disgrace. I feel sick. looby gobblers. should be ashamed of yourselfs. moaning about the costs of the LSV when your blowing the dosh you do have on your first team, in illegal ways
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Yep crap innit , unlike your good selves we cant manage a million a year profit , and with this years problems I wouldn't be suprised if the same thing happens again next season
The only solution right now would be to release all our players , but oops we cant , they have contracts based on figures supplied to the RFL , just like last year
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| Quote ="Starbug"Yep crap innit , unlike your good selves we cant manage a million a year profit
, and with this years problems I wouldn't be suprised if the same thing happens again next season
The only solution right now would be to release all our players , but oops we cant , they have contracts based on figures supplied to the RFL , just like last year'"
Not our problem, sorry
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| Quote ="Starbug"Yep crap innit , unlike your good selves we cant manage a million a year profit
, and with this years problems I wouldn't be suprised if the same thing happens again next season
The only solution right now would be to release all our players , but oops we cant , they have contracts based on figures supplied to the RFL , just like last year'"
Well, if you didn't cheat and spend money on players that you can't afford, you might get somewhere near. Leigh were well aware what the cap limit was before they signed many of these players. There's no excuse.
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| Quote ="Pepe"Well, if you didn't cheat and spend money on players that you can't afford, you might get somewhere near. Leigh were well aware what the cap limit was before they signed many of these players. There's no excuse.'"
if you read what has actually happened, we haven't gone over the cap limit, we didn't meet expected/prejected revenue and as such breached the cap that way. We haven't gone out and purposfully spent over the cap like Wig@n a few years ago
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| Quote ="Pepe"Well, if you didn't cheat and spend money on players that you can't afford, you might get somewhere near. Leigh were well aware what the cap limit was before they signed many of these players. There's no excuse.'"
Its the 50 % issue again , at the start of the season you supply the RFL with projected income , they check them to see if they are realistic and either say yes or no , bloody annoying that it takes basically 8/9 months to become a problem
But hey ho , all good fun , will this blacken our copybook for box ticking now , maybe the RFL can come out and tell us either way ?
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| Quote ="Starbug"Its the 50 % issue again , at the start of the season you supply the RFL with projected income , they check them to see if they are realistic and either say yes or no , bloody annoying that it takes basically 8/9 months to become a problem
But hey ho , all good fun , will this blacken our copybook for box ticking now , maybe the RFL can come out and tell us either way ?'"
Obviously it will! It stopped Wigan getting an 'A' grade last time if I recall correctly.
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| Quote ="Starbug"Its the 50 % issue again , at the start of the season you supply the RFL with projected income , they check them to see if they are realistic and either say yes or no , bloody annoying that it takes basically 8/9 months to become a problem
But hey ho , all good fun , will this blacken our copybook for box ticking now , maybe the RFL can come out and tell us either way ?'"
Quote ="Leyther Always"a050.gif if you read what has actually happened, we haven't gone over the cap limit, we didn't meet expected/prejected revenue and as such breached the cap that way. We haven't gone out and purposfully spent over the cap like Wig@n a few years ago
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I was under the impression that all Championship clubs were allowed to spend £300k, unless they had previously been able to show a £1 Million turnover, whereby they'd be able to spend up to £400k?
How much had Leigh spent to?
I didn't know that there was even a 50% rule in place. I thought they'd scrapped that years ago in favour of a live cap system?
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| Dearie me. No wonder they are doing so well in the league. They've spent over what they should have.
So the team moaning about the licensing system most of all in recent months have in a short space of time almost gone under and have breached the salary cap to boot. Still, they're almost top of the league don't you know. (still haven't won anything though!)
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| Quote ="Leyther Always"a050.gif if you read what has actually happened, we haven't gone over the cap limit, we didn't meet expected/prejected revenue and as such breached the cap that way. We haven't gone out and purposfully spent over the cap like Wig@n a few years ago
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Did you spend more on players then you were allowed too?
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| Quote ="J20"Did you spend more on players then you were allowed too?'"
Not at the time , but 9 months later yes
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| Quote Quote ="Pepe"I was under the impression that all Championship clubs were allowed to spend £300k, unless they had previously been able to show a £1 Million turnover, whereby they'd be able to spend up to £400k?
How much had Leigh spent to?
I didn't know that there was even a 50% rule in place. I thought they'd scrapped that years ago in favour of a =#FF0000live cap system?[/quote'" '"
SL only that one isn't it , if not , its not very ' live ' if it takes 9 months before somebody susses out your over it
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| Quote ="Starbug"SL only that one isn't it , if not , its not very ' live ' if it takes 9 months before somebody susses out your over it'"
I wish you'd learn to use the quote button properly.
I'll ask you again. Is there definitely a 50% rule still in place or not?
If so:
How can such thing be based on future expected/projected revenue when it, as far as I know, has always been based upon what was achieved in the previous financial year?
Something just doesn't add up here...
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| Those where my thoughts Pepe. I thought cap was based on previous years figures!
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| Quote ="J20"Those where my thoughts Pepe. I thought cap was based on previous years figures!'"
I thought it was too , but I had heard 40% of previous seasons turnover , with an extra 10% if you can satisfy the rfl , re fundin
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| Quote ="bulldog bob"I thought it was too , but I had heard 40% of previous seasons turnover , with an extra 10% if you can satisfy the rfl , re fundin'"
So, basically, it's still Leigh's own fault, because they gambled that they would be able to make up the extra 10% and, I would assume, submitted some sort of documentary evidence to the RFL, and fell short.
That still boarders very much on cheating, imo. It is a ridiculous way to run a sport too. The RFL really need to change that rule. Unscrupulous clubs can clearly gamble on this, and put the more honest clubs at a major disadvantage.
No wonder Leigh are not contesting it.
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| Quote ="Pepe"So, basically, it's still Leigh's own fault, because they gambled that they would be able to make up the extra 10% and, I would assume, submitted some sort of documentary evidence to the RFL, and fell short.
That still boarders very much on cheating, imo. It is a ridiculous way to run a sport too. The RFL really need to change that rule. Unscrupulous clubs can clearly gamble on this, and put the more honest clubs at a major disadvantage.
No wonder Leigh are not contesting it.'"
Yes it is our fault , not disagreeing there , all part of our LSV nightmare as well , the SC is turnover relevant , we struggle to get turnover with no food,booze sales , and no advertising revenue , take the LSV s share out of our sales before we get them further cuts back , it is potentially realistic that say Batley have more turnover than us despite averaging half our attendances
I'd suggest the reason we aren't contesting it is that at the moment we'd rather have a points deduction than a fine
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| Quote ="Starbug"Yes it is our fault , not disagreeing there , all part of our LSV nightmare as well , the SC is turnover relevant , we struggle to get turnover with no food,booze sales , and no advertising revenue , take the LSV s share out of our sales before we get them further cuts back , it is potentially realistic that say Batley have more turnover than us despite averaging half our attendances
I'd suggest the reason we aren't contesting it is that at the moment we'd rather have a points deduction than a fine'"
No, it's got all to do with the LSV. AT, and the rest of the Leigh board, knew full-well about the lack of other revenue streams the club would have even before they moved in there. Despite this, they still submitted evidence to the RFL that they would be able to make up the 10% shortfall. Clearly, as you admit, the lack of alternative income, via food and beer sales, &c, would actually have made this nigh on impossible to achieve. Then why, in Hell's name, tell the RFL that they could increase their income, when they clearly couldn't?
They were trying to get an advantage that they just didn't deserve or have any right to. I call that cheating.
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| Quote ="Starbug"=#000000Just trying educate you my son , or is it because you have figured out that what you put is in fact impossible ?
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You need to ring the club up, you have a mathematical acumen that Leigh Centurions do not.
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| Quote ="Pepe"So, basically, it's still Leigh's own fault, because they gambled that they would be able to make up the extra 10% and, I would assume, submitted some sort of documentary evidence to the RFL, and fell short.
That still boarders very much on cheating, imo. It is a ridiculous way to run a sport too. The RFL really need to change that rule. Unscrupulous clubs can clearly gamble on this, and put the more honest clubs at a major disadvantage.
No wonder Leigh are not contesting it.'"
I presume squad builder monies can be used as an extra , as at our team anyway they are run totally seperate from club by BISSA, so are not part of turnover , presume RFL would deem this acceptable , without increasin income in a recession , but I am just guessin Pepe
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