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IMG Are Seeking Your Views
Rugby League supporters have been invited to contribute to the ‘reimagining Rugby League’ consultation currently being conducted by the sport’s strategic partner IMG.
A survey has been launched today through the RFL and Super League digital channels Rugby League Fan Survey (qualtrics.com), and will close at the end of August.
It covers a range of key areas such as viewing habits and preferences, competitions, and overseas clubs.
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IMG Are Seeking Your Views
Rugby League supporters have been invited to contribute to the ‘reimagining Rugby League’ consultation currently being conducted by the sport’s strategic partner IMG.
A survey has been launched today through the RFL and Super League digital channels Rugby League Fan Survey (qualtrics.com), and will close at the end of August.
It covers a range of key areas such as viewing habits and preferences, competitions, and overseas clubs.
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| Well I've done the survey, we all moan at times so I guess it's important to have a say - especially with IMG involved.
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| I’ve completed it. I fully expect IMG to be suitably impressed and offer me a lucrative consultancy position (spoiler alert , the Dobbins won’t make the cut).
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| I quite liked the idea of the challenge cup being at a different venue each year, but strongly disagreed with them going to two leagues of ten...the idea of regional teams copying the hundred was an interesting one, definitely a way to get casual fans / families into the game, but won't go down too well with the traditionalists
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| Some very interesting ideas and I urge everyone takes part.
Personally I went for a 14 team, no loop game league with promotion and relegation with growing scepticism on French teams (due to lack of a TV deal) and im not interested in 7s/9s or made up teams playing another cup.
But we all like our RL in a slightly different flavour. I bet most tick that the Ref's are one of the worst things about the game though!
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| Quote ="Steve0"I quite liked the idea of the challenge cup being at a different venue each year, but strongly disagreed with them going to two leagues of ten...the idea of regional teams copying the hundred was an interesting one, definitely a way to get casual fans / families into the game, but won't go down too well with the traditionalists'"
I can see licensing coming back in for 2024
It will also give teams like Toulouse time to get established in S/L without the up/down problem.
Seems to me like the owners have have a heads up on this hence the new stand and ground improvements at Wakefield who i dont think would have been given a license had they not been able to make the improvements.
Having Wakefield.Castleford and Featherstone within a few miles of each other if i was a Castleford fan i would be worried about getting a license and can see several west riding mergers happening as a result of IMG coming in
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| Quote ="UllFC"Some very interesting ideas and I urge everyone takes part.
Personally I went for a 14 team, no loop game league with promotion and relegation with growing scepticism on French teams (due to lack of a TV deal) and im not interested in 7s/9s or made up teams playing another cup.
But we all like our RL in a slightly different flavour. I bet most tick that the Ref's are one of the worst things about the game though!'"
Why we have in goal referees ill never know.Waste of personnel.
For me the touch judges miss too much and dont give the referees enough help so instead of in goal touch judges move to a game where we have four touch judges each having only half the pitch to control and give them more authority than they currently have to make decisions.
Been able to keep up with play on both sides of the pitch and having three eyes on the play should really help especially with forward passes and i would go even further by changing the referee at half time for the senior touch judge.May be controversial but control of the game needs to be looked at.
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| Quote ="bonaire"Why we have in goal referees ill never know.Waste of personnel.
For me the touch judges miss too much and dont give the referees enough help so instead of in goal touch judges move to a game where we have four touch judges each having only half the pitch to control and give them more authority than they currently have to make decisions.
Been able to keep up with play on both sides of the pitch and having three eyes on the play should really help especially with forward passes and i would go even further by changing the referee at half time for the senior touch judge.May be controversial but control of the game needs to be looked at.'"
Scrutinising the videos mid week to find the most minor infringements is getting increasingly off putting, no other sport sits spotting errors like that, they wrap the round up and move on. Video review should only come into play if a team challenges a Red card received during the game.
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| Quote ="UllFC"Some very interesting ideas and I urge everyone takes part.
Personally I went for a 14 team, no loop game league with promotion and relegation with growing scepticism on French teams (due to lack of a TV deal) and im not interested in 7s/9s or made up teams playing another cup.
But we all like our RL in a slightly different flavour. I bet most tick that the Ref's are one of the worst things about the game though!'"
Pretty similar to what I went for. 14 league team, without p&r. I'd like a return to franchises, with a view to expanding the game.
I think a 9s comp similar to the magic weekend could work if done correctly
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| Quote ="mwindass"Pretty similar to what I went for. 14 league team, without p&r. I'd like a return to franchises, with a view to expanding the game.
I think a 9s comp similar to the magic weekend could work if done correctly'"
I can stomach franchises if there is a serious consequence for not performing on the field. I have bad memories of the end of the Hetherington/Rule era where they would brag about getting another A licence while we sat 2nd bottom and there was no incentive to spend money and improve.
If promotion and relegation stays they should axe the Chamoionship playoffs and let the winner go up and the reward would be the earlier you lift the title the more time you have to prepare. Leigh are quite clearly the best team and shouldn't have to face the lottery of a oneoff game, nor does this game particularly break box office records anyway.
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| Ive done mine but not like it will matter what we think. They already have us on board, there job isnt to keep the 150k rl fans happy, its to mutliply that number.
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| If p&r were to stay, it should be every two years rather than each season, gives you more certainly and time to plan and stop the team that comes up signing the same group of players from the team that previously got relegated and then going down themselves. I personally think it should be a 14 team super League, keep Toulouse in then bring in Leigh and possibly fetherstone. Leigh have a points difference of almost +1000. They're too good for that league, and I feel Toulouse will be next season too.
A 9s event made up of regional sides like the hundred could potentially work. I feel neutral / casual fans can get on board more with something more regional / national as shown with the hundred or the lionesses. You can feel more a part of a team like Yorkshire/ the northern superchargers if you're a casual fan rather, plus you can advertise to a wider audience than a team from Leigh or Huddersfield or Castleford can
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| cant see what it will achieve, ateod, it will be the negative club owners who call the shots! 1 pie sale to an away fan is better than no away fans in some club owners thinking...until thats put to bed, cant see much improvement
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| I went for an initial 14 team franchise system. I’d only have teams with an average crowd of 6,000+. (Sts, Wigan, Leeds, FC, Rovers, Warrington and Cas). I’d have Cats and Toulouse. I’d have Bradford back (assuming a new ground development) and create a team in Cardiff.
The other 3 teams can come from either a team in London, Newcastle and/or Midlands. Or fill with other existing SL teams/Leigh and develop teams to apply to join SL in 3 years, with minimum ground and crowd standards.
Need to get a proper sponsor for the league and stop changing the fixture and cup format and timings. One game per week per club (no loop fixtures) and aim to raise salary cap progressively to compete more with NRL and RU.
I’d have Video Refs at all games and get foul play checked out at the time like they do with VAR in football.
I’d also just have one competent RL body running the whole game.
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| Quote ="Rugby Raider"I went for an initial 14 team franchise system. I’d only have teams with an average crowd of 6,000+. (Sts, Wigan, Leeds, FC, Rovers, Warrington and Cas). I’d have Cats and Toulouse. I’d have Bradford back (assuming a new ground development) and create a team in Cardiff.
The other 3 teams can come from either a team in London, Newcastle and/or Midlands. Or fill with other existing SL teams/Leigh and develop teams to apply to join SL in 3 years, with minimum ground and crowd standards.
Need to get a proper sponsor for the league and stop changing the fixture and cup format and timings. One game per week per club (no loop fixtures) and aim to raise salary cap progressively to compete more with NRL and RU.
I’d have Video Refs at all games and get foul play checked out at the time like they do with VAR in football.
I’d also just have one competent RL body running the whole game.'"
I'm not keen on adding new teams in unless they plan to spend big on stadiums and marketing. Would love to see teams in Newcastle, Liverpool, York and Sheffield making it a true northern powerhouse of a league but again the money needs to be there.
I think throwing Bradford back in could be a good move though, there's thousands of fans that would come back and the airport derby was good for 2/3 20k crowds a year back in the day.
I also think the game threw Wrexham away too quickly, there was interest there, it was the visa scandal that sent the club into oblivion, and the ground is now getting improved due to Ryan Reynolds buying the football team and its not far from the Lancashire teams while being a genuine Welsh outpost.
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| Quote ="UllFC"I'm not keen on adding new teams in unless they plan to spend big on stadiums and marketing. Would love to see teams in Newcastle, Liverpool, York and Sheffield making it a true northern powerhouse of a league but again the money needs to be there.
I think throwing Bradford back in could be a good move though, there's thousands of fans that would come back and the airport derby was good for 2/3 20k crowds a year back in the day.
I also think the game threw Wrexham away too quickly, there was interest there, it was the visa scandal that sent the club into oblivion, and the ground is now getting improved due to Ryan Reynolds buying the football team and its not far from the Lancashire teams while being a genuine Welsh outpost.'"
Don’t agree with a Northern Powerhouse. That is part the games image problem.
There is a team in York already, 25 miles from Leeds and 40 from Hull, hardly a new audience. Liverpool is 10 miles from St Helens. Newcastle is a viable option.
I say Cardiff, because other than a short period on the early 80’s (when Union banned players who played League), any Welsh team has been located in the wrong place. A franchised Cardiff team, based at the smaller Cardiff Arms Park in summer, would have the benefit of great City Centre location and be in the best crowd catchment area.
Expanding Super League with teams like Leigh and Featherstone are not the answer. Featherstone have a proud history, but it is a village smaller than both Cottingham and Beverley.
We have to learn from other sports too. In Rugby Union, Wasps moved to Coventry and now get up to 20,000 fans; in circket The Hundred is based in the 8 main cricket grounds in cities, not villages.
There’s a balance to be had. We have 8 well supported teams (Sts, Wigan, Warrington, Bradford, Leeds, Cas, Hull and Rovers) along the M62. I’d keep them; 2 from France, Cardiff, Newcastle, plus two others.
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| Quote ="Rugby Raider"Don’t agree with a Northern Powerhouse. That is part the games image problem.
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I'm sure we could get highways England onboard as a major sponsor in the m62 super League
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| Quote ="UllFC"I'm not keen on adding new teams in unless they plan to spend big on stadiums and marketing. Would love to see teams in Newcastle, Liverpool, York and Sheffield making it a true northern powerhouse of a league but again the money needs to be there.
I think throwing Bradford back in could be a good move though, there's thousands of fans that would come back and the airport derby was good for 2/3 20k crowds a year back in the day.
I also think the game threw Wrexham away too quickly, there was interest there, it was the visa scandal that sent the club into oblivion, and the ground is now getting improved due to Ryan Reynolds buying the football team and its not far from the Lancashire teams while being a genuine Welsh outpost.'"
I agree that Bradford should be in S/L but only if they ground share with one of the football teams.
Odsal like the Wakefield ground has had its day thats why Castleford need to be careful because if Licensing comes in for 2024 then they will struggle especially given how near they are to Wakefield and Featherstone.
This situation with several grounds being within a few miles of each other is something IMG are looking at.
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| Quote ="Rugby Raider"Don’t agree with a Northern Powerhouse. That is part the games image problem.
There is a team in York already, 25 miles from Leeds and 40 from Hull, hardly a new audience. Liverpool is 10 miles from St Helens. Newcastle is a viable option.
I say Cardiff, because other than a short period on the early 80’s (when Union banned players who played League), any Welsh team has been located in the wrong place. A franchised Cardiff team, based at the smaller Cardiff Arms Park in summer, would have the benefit of great City Centre location and be in the best crowd catchment area.
Expanding Super League with teams like Leigh and Featherstone are not the answer. Featherstone have a proud history, but it is a village smaller than both Cottingham and Beverley.
We have to learn from other sports too. In Rugby Union, Wasps moved to Coventry and now get up to 20,000 fans; in circket The Hundred is based in the 8 main cricket grounds in cities, not villages.
There’s a balance to be had. We have 8 well supported teams (Sts, Wigan, Warrington, Bradford, Leeds, Cas, Hull and Rovers) along the M62. I’d keep them; 2 from France, Cardiff, Newcastle, plus two others.'"
Wasps aren't a great example to use, they are flirting with administration. Not close enough to know if that's due to moving to Coventry or not but that Coventry stadium has been a basket case for everyone involved (currently an unusable pitch, Coventry FC having to move away from the City for a few years etc)
I say concentrate on the North because RL has tried and failed many times in other regions. How much time and money has been spent on London for example, yet they still draw shocking crowds and usually move home every 2/3 years.
Liverpool may only be 10 miles from Saints but the populations are very different, there is a different market to attract in Liverpool itself.
Agree with you that Wales stands a better chance than most as it is Rugby mad, but again who is pumping in the millions to really make it work? It has taken millions, backing from Rupert Murdoch and decades for Melbourne Storm to even get a toehold in Melbourne.
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| Quote ="Rugby Raider"Don’t agree with a Northern Powerhouse. That is part the games image problem.
There is a team in York already, 25 miles from Leeds and 40 from Hull, hardly a new audience. Liverpool is 10 miles from St Helens. Newcastle is a viable option.
I say Cardiff, because other than a short period on the early 80’s (when Union banned players who played League), any Welsh team has been located in the wrong place. A franchised Cardiff team, based at the smaller Cardiff Arms Park in summer, would have the benefit of great City Centre location and be in the best crowd catchment area.
Expanding Super League with teams like Leigh and Featherstone are not the answer. Featherstone have a proud history, but it is a village smaller than both Cottingham and Beverley.
We have to learn from other sports too. In Rugby Union, Wasps moved to Coventry and now get up to 20,000 fans; in circket The Hundred is based in the 8 main cricket grounds in cities, not villages.
There’s a balance to be had. We have 8 well supported teams (Sts, Wigan, Warrington, Bradford, Leeds, Cas, Hull and Rovers) along the M62. I’d keep them; 2 from France, Cardiff, Newcastle, plus two others.'"
Sorry but you can talk about Wales as long as you like about Rugby League and that’s all you will do. The stigma from Union is never going to go away in “The Valleys” Union is more entrenched then ever. I spent a while working in South Wales, I’d go in a pub, ask for a pint and the locals would start talking in gibberish, sorry, Welsh.
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