There will be much discussion about James Child's performance today, and I can't deny that he did have a massive impact on the game...however it is quite clear we are regressing back to bad old habits at an alarming rate.

The team didn't even turn up for 20mins, our tackling technique and defensive structure has gone completely out of the window in recent weeks, the team look demotivated last season they were high-fiving each other after big hits this year its back to hands on hips. Our error count is far too high to be a top 4 team.

Its also quite clear that we are far too reliant on Houghton & Ellis, when even one of these isn't on the field we play poorly never mind when both are absent as was the case for most of the game today.

Didn't want to start another 'Radford Out' thread but he has to come under some pressure, we've played well for 2/3's of one season during his time in charge, and he can't use not having time to build his own team, and having to sort the discipline out as excuses anymore.

Still a lot of the season to go, but sadly we are showing signs that yet again we aren't progressing after we've lifted a trophy. Must be very frustrating for Adam Pearson to yet again get a big crowd in, only to flop and put the 'casual' fans off attending again for while.

that was rubbish, big crowd and I really thought we would win before the match kicked off, even did when we pulled it back second half, but just seem to collapse, 2 big defeats on the bounce, big game against leigh and we really have to start defending again like we mean it, just not playing with the same energy as last year, Radford gotta start earning his corn, don't like blaming the coach as imo think there are all in it together, but hey ho at least the players have only 3 days to try to get this season back on track,

We are making too many basic errors in our own half. This puts pressure on the defence and takes gas out the tank. 3 times penalised when we had the ball today. Losing Bowden early not helpful. I don't think we're not trying or demotivated. Who is looking demotivated? Ellis, Manu, Kelly, Mini..? To me more we're suffering from poor basic ball retention and discipline which is creating fatigue.

Still too early to start panicking just yet. I'd probably be more concerned if we were peaking at this stage of season.

Still too early to start panicking just yet. I'd probably be more concerned if we were peaking at this stage of season.

Still too early to start panicking just yet. I'd probably be more concerned if we were peaking at this stage of season.

You sure giddy

We were very poor today but we were not the worst team on the park and I dont mean Leeds they deserved their victory. James Child should not be allowed to referee the game he is abysmal. Refereeing generally is ruining the game and has gone downhill particularly since Ganson took the reigns

It's like a perfect storm. We can't hold onto the ball giving the opposition too much possession, we're indisciplined so compound our errors with giving away penalties inviting teams into our half of the field and we can't defend our line making it easy for the opposition to score.

18 tries conceded in 2 games against 2 of last season's bottom 4 is simply unacceptable. radford needs to get a grip of things and quickly or we'll be in the bottom 4 come the split

The players play the game, Radford is clearly a competent coach (or have we forgotten the CC win), too many players not fronting up.

Our biggest problem and it's been an issue all season is our discipline, to give away penalties repeated with ball in hand is criminal, we where getting in control of the game, 8 points down, ball in hand, Leeds down to 12 and 20 mins left and we give away a penalty.

Defence and handling has been appalling last two games.

Not much can be changed within this squad, massive and must win game, lose that and I'd be really worried about this season.

Salford and Leeds are both top 3 sides this year, which is arguably the more relevant fact. 18 tries is awful regardless, granted.

Only relevant in the fact that they've gone forwards whilst we've gone backwards. I don;t accept that either of them are that good. How many other 50 point hammerings have either dished out on their travels this season?

You're painting them as amongst the worst teams by referencing last season's positiosn. The fact is they are 2nd and 3rd best so far this.

The fact is you were telling me we had the best defence in the league a fortnight ago so I'll take your facts with a pinch of salt

But neither side look all that though, you must agree. I cannot accept 2 50 point home defeats back to back against such opposition. Salford have clearly improved a massive amount, but Leeds IMO are not all that at all.

Agreed. They looked flakey as hell when we came back to 24-32 then we decided to throw any opportunity we had away

They're not I completely agree. But equally they are not relegation fodder as suggested by referencing last year's position.

I don't think up until a year ago you ever conceded 50 pts at the KC ,and to do it two times in 7 days is remarkable, do you think Kelly is unhappy and collaborating with the opposition and telling them your team strategy ?

But that was a fact. No salt required. And that was against teams mostly in last year's top 8 of course.

think Radford wasn't far of when he said win 2 games here and where world beaters lose 2 and where doomed,

Dont think its the loss of two games thats the worry,its the manner in which we have lost them.
We have gone from having the best defence in the league to conceding over 100 points in two home games.
Embarrasing and unprofessional.
As bad as Child was there is no excuse what so ever for our lack of discipline,ball retention and try line defence.

It wasn't a fact at all. That we'd conceded fewest points around 1/4 way through the season doesn't mean we have the comp's best defence, same as leeds being in 3rd place after 1/3 of the season doesn't make them the 3rd best team in the comp. Not a difficult concept I wouldn't have thought

Said last week defence was going west last couple of weeks and got shot down by someone. Lack of focus by some in my view. Lots of switching off going on.

I have been to the last two games and like everyone am bitterly disappointed. In attack and defence we look a shambles and have to ask why have the wheels fallen off. Two words "Danny Houghton". The current Man of Steel does the work in attack and defence of at least two men and we are not the same team without him. We should not have to depend on one player but I am afraid we do. The real question is why on earth do we not have a back up hooker. Much as I like Washbrook he is not a hooker. Look at all the other top teams and they have strong back up. I suspect when Houghton returns and we play to our potential again fans will wonder why !! Come back soon Danny your club need you