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Says on twitter that we've shelved the planned U23's due to the cost. Anyone deny/cpnfirm?
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I really hope not.it was the most sensible move to come out of the club for years.
Cant see a massive cost increase for the club outside of travel.
For me it would have been better to have a joint under 23s with HKR rather than the academy.Home matches could have been played at HKR and less players would have been needed.
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I spoke with a senior official at the club very recently and they stated that this would be going ahead. I certain gentleman from the other side of the river is far from happy, but who cares about him.
It has to be the way forward for some of our developing players. They are not developing (imho) as well as they could / should at duel reg clubs.
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Who are going to be playing against if no one else does it
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| Quote ="Tinkerman23"Who are going to be playing against if no one else does it'"
From memory I believe there are 8 teams who wish to go down this road. I can't recall who they all are, but know Leeds are not one of them. I do believe they have been officially santioned by the RFL though. |
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Leeds have stated they are not going a head with the under 23's they already have Hunslet to bring on and develope there youngsters.
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Radders has confirmed on Humberside that the 23s will go ahead. I think he has said previously that the side would cost 150k per annum to run so i think it is reasonable to asume that talk of money issues at Hull are wide of the mark.
I hope that some of the lads who have left Rovers get a run out. 19 is too early to have to make a decision on a player and you may end up snapping up a couple of late developers.
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| Quote ="R.B.A"Radders has confirmed on Humberside that the 23s will go ahead. I think he has said previously that the side would cost 150k per annum to run so i think it is reasonable to asume that [utalk of money issues at Hull are wide of the mark.[/u
I hope that some of the lads who have left Rovers get a run out. 19 is too early to have to make a decision on a player and you may end up snapping up a couple of late developers.'"
Sure. Maybe we're using fees for Westerman and Lineham to fund it.  |
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Says on twitter that we've shelved the planned U23's due to the cost. Anyone deny/cpnfirm?'"
It was bollox.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"It was bollox.
Richard Horne confirmed as coach of the U23s.'"
Horne seems to have done a good job with the 19s. Interested in who the other teams are - any indication? |
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Horne seems to have done a good job with the 19s. Interested in who the other teams are - any indication?'"
Not heard anything from other clubs. Strange given that Hull are often accused of keeping their fans in the dark yet they seem the one club talking about their plans for youth development. |
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Radford said he got the fixtures yesterday!
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"Not heard anything from other clubs. Strange given that Hull are often accused of keeping their fans in the dark yet they seem the one club talking about their plans for youth development.'"
It is strange. It has to be a good thing provided there are reasonable opposition teams, but I'm a bit surprised by it tbh, in a good way. Vital to provide a pathway for players not ready for SL at 19 which is likely to be the vast majority of the merged academy graduates. |
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I'm amazed the club are doing this when we've been told they're on their knees financially, have zero credit rating, 9 grand in the bank and owe £2.2m
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"It is strange. It has to be a good thing provided there are reasonable opposition teams, but I'm a bit surprised by it tbh, in a good way. Vital to provide a pathway for players not ready for SL at 19 which is likely to be the vast majority of the merged academy graduates.'"
It is good that there will be another path, obviously for the SL clubs involved, but also for young players. It'll be interesting to see how they approach it - will u23s and and the possibility of a run out in SL be better/more attractive than playing in the Championships, or even dual reg (and possibility of a run out in SL)?
Lot's of variables will influence the decision. Getting players to make up numbers might be the tough part. The ones who are getting the idea they're not going to be SL players, are thus not paid much, but are at the point where they could play first-team for a second tier team. The standard within teams could be pretty uneven.
There is a significant risk that players are lost, who could have made SL, under the current system. But we have to be realistic about how much of their early manhood players can hang about waiting for something that in most cases won't happen. In some ways the Championship is the best path, imo. PITA commutes from Hull for part-timers though. |
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"Not heard anything from other clubs. Strange given that Hull are often accused of keeping their fans in the dark yet they seem the one club talking about their plans for youth development.'"
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"It is good that there will be another path, obviously for the SL clubs involved, but also for young players. It'll be interesting to see how they approach it - will u23s and and the possibility of a run out in SL be better/more attractive than playing in the Championships, or even dual reg (and possibility of a run out in SL)?
Lot's of variables will influence the decision. Getting players to make up numbers might be the tough part. The ones who are getting the idea they're not going to be SL players, are thus not paid much, but are at the point where they could play first-team for a second tier team. The standard within teams could be pretty uneven.
There is a significant risk that players are lost, who could have made SL, under the current system. But we have to be realistic about how much of their early manhood players can hang about waiting for something that in most cases won't happen. In some ways the Championship is the best path, imo. PITA commutes from Hull for part-timers though.'"
Good points. There will certainly be a load of practical difficulties. I guess if there's a critical mass of teams and it gets momentum there's more chance of coming up with creative ideas to overcome them. One of the benefits of the A team IMO was allowing fans more chances to engage with the club, sort of community thing. Not having our own ground for these games dilutes that aspect. |
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Excellent news that this comp is going ahead. Way overdue.
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I can't see the Allams letting them play the 23 home games at the KC, we're will we play?
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Will be Bishop Burton.
mobile.hullfc.com/News/Article/4 ... u23s-coach
The new-look team will be made up of the club's non-selected first-team players and academy graduates, taking on similar players from the likes of Warrington Wolves, St. Helens and Wigan.
The new competition will get underway on the same weekend that Super League begins in February 2016, with fifteen rounds to be played across the season.
The schedule has also been set centrally to avoid as many clashes as possible with the U19s season, which will ensure Hull FC's representatives in the City of Hull Academy will also have the opportunity to wear the black and white shirt throughout next season too.
The initial draft calendar outlines that it is likely that both teams’ fixtures will only clash on three or four occasions, which is pleasing for Radford.
"It is a smart move and suits all the clubs, who will be keen to see both their U19s lads and some more experienced first-teamers get a run out together," said Hull's head coach.
"It is the perfect opportunity now for us to blood our youngsters in a fantastic environment at Bishop Burton as part of our City of Hull Academy setup, but breed them into our systems through reserve grade and then hopefully first-team.
"Over the last couple of years there were too many occasions when we couldn't find suitable game time for our players due to various circumstances at first-team, U19s or on dual registration, which is no longer a problem.
"Our young players will have the chance to play both U19s and competitive reserve grade football over the season, whilst some of our senior blokes will now have the opportunity for some additional game time when they need it.
"We've also got a number of over age players who are now ineligible to play for the U19s, so this will be crucial for those guys to get some games and continue their development."
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mobile.hullfc.com/News/Article/4 ... u23s-coach
The new-look team will be made up of the club's non-selected first-team players and academy graduates, taking on similar players from the likes of Warrington Wolves, St. Helens and Wigan.
The new competition will get underway on the same weekend that Super League begins in February 2016, with fifteen rounds to be played across the season.
The schedule has also been set centrally to avoid as many clashes as possible with the U19s season, which will ensure Hull FC's representatives in the City of Hull Academy will also have the opportunity to wear the black and white shirt throughout next season too.
The initial draft calendar outlines that it is likely that both teams’ fixtures will only clash on three or four occasions, which is pleasing for Radford.
"It is a smart move and suits all the clubs, who will be keen to see both their U19s lads and some more experienced first-teamers get a run out together," said Hull's head coach.
"It is the perfect opportunity now for us to blood our youngsters in a fantastic environment at Bishop Burton as part of our City of Hull Academy setup, but breed them into our systems through reserve grade and then hopefully first-team.
"Over the last couple of years there were too many occasions when we couldn't find suitable game time for our players due to various circumstances at first-team, U19s or on dual registration, which is no longer a problem.
"Our young players will have the chance to play both U19s and competitive reserve grade football over the season, whilst some of our senior blokes will now have the opportunity for some additional game time when they need it.
"We've also got a number of over age players who are now ineligible to play for the U19s, so this will be crucial for those guys to get some games and continue their development."
He added: "It's a big move for the competition and one I think will bear fruit for all involved over the coming years." | |
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So with Horne going to the under 23s the first team now needs a new assistant - any ideas?
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He was doing that in conjunction with coaching the U19s, I think, so I guess he'll still be involved with the first team along with Andy Last. We clearly need some new blood from outside the club, though. |
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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"So with Horne going to the under 23s the first team now needs a new assistant - any ideas?'"
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Does anybody know if the under 23s is being run as a joint enterprise with Doncaster? The side consisting of a mix of Hull and Doncaster players not selected for first team duties?
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