Just in case you are not aware, as I work in the construction industries I get this news, so thought I would share. I'm sometimes concious that good news doesn't spread very well in this city.

The A63 in Hull is going to have major redevelopment work done on it to improve times. As Balfour Beatty describe;



[url=http://www.balfourbeattycsuk.com/blogs/news/2014/08/balfour-beatty-awarded-%C2%A375m-highways-agency-a63-improvement-scheme-in-hull/#sthash.QeG5rLY2.dNWYg11W.dpbsFull story[/url

And also the electrification of the line between Hull and Selby seems very likely now [url=http://www.hulltrains.co.uk/about-us/news/2014/03/first-hull-trains-welcomes-%C2%A324m-government-pledge-to-electrify-train-lines-from-hull-to-selby/Full story[/url

All in all, good news for the city and much needed investment, and potentially new jobs to boot.

That is good news. Once they've built the underpass the replacement bus service from Selby will be a bit quicker.

£75m for 1.5 km... value for money my

That quite literally makes no sense what's so ever.

When there is work on the Hull-Selby line they replace the trains with a replacement bus service. This bus service currently takes one hour but with the improvements to the Mytongate junction it will only take fifty-eight or fifty-nine minutes.

I am sure that when they are electrifying the lines (finally) they will try and minimise disruption by only cancelling the trains I need to get to and from home games.

I doubt they will co-inside, the earliest the A63 work will take place is 2016 and I gather the train line work will be next year.

Also, due the junction at Gillerdyke trains can start from Goole for Doncaster and London.

Hmmm, actually thats really not that bad for an infrastructure project.

The scheme will include two new bridges and an underpass. Plus ground works, landscaping, highway control etc.

The A556 bypass, which doesn't involve ground work in a high water table area, which is around 4 miles cost somewhere around £212 million.

Cos it'll be easy as to run the overhead lines over Selby swing bridge

Erm, yeah, it will actually.

So I'm stuck with a 60 minute bus journey. Sighs. I might just move back to Hull.

I do have a serious infrastructurey question. If they are going to lower the A63 by 7m and Hull is 2m above sea-level does that mean the new road will be technically underwater? The point were Chants Ave ducks under the elevated railway often floods (I think it did again yesterday) so how will they stop the A63 turning into a marina when it rains?

I'll bow to your knowledge

Sorry, it does represent a small challenge but bridge works are somewhat second nature to UK Infrastructure teams and they have existing methodology. You of course have a permanent connection with a bridge on one side, which is where the electrical supply will be managed. The bridge, will then have the pylons attached too it. Logistically a little more difficult than standard installation and certainly specialist, but not significant time wise.

I'm actually not sure it is a given that the line will be closed. A lot this sort of work can be carried out overnight. We will see I suppose.



Usually deep sheet piles, or sealed pile walls are used to stop flooding where it falls below the water table. Of course, effective drainage needs to be installed, which is perhaps where Chants Ave has gone wrong.

Hopefully it wont be closed. They've closed it at the moment to replace the swing bridge which is annoying but apparently it'll make the journey time shorter so I'm happy about that as it might mean I'll get to the KC in time for kick-off.

Hopefully they'll get the drainage right or TransPenine will need to put on a replenishment DUKW service.

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Chants Ave has a small pumping station to remove surface water...the problem is though if the drains which the pumps discharge into are already full theres nowhere for the water to go till the backlog subsides...new A63 underpass will also have a pump station fited to remove surface water....this will be piped to the nearest body of water!!!!

They tried to build a tunnel before under the river Hull and then scraped it due to it flooding , There's a bridge there now !. It's going to be chaos in Hull when the A63 upgrade starts .

Your going to jave fun coming home from work Steve

It's something that needs doing , Castle st is joke , You've seen it yourself Mark the chaos you get with just one broken down lorry and the rest of the city stops .

You are correct in most of what you say regarding methodology, however, it will probably take a little less time to run the wire under the bridge. This is due to the fact there is no need to dig/pile foundations for any large steelwork to be landed like there is in 'open' track. The main challenge will be in the design, ensuring minimum wire heights are maintained. I work as an engineer for an overhead line company and most of our guys would know this as standard practice........hopefully



Also, I would expect that the work be planned overnight in line possessions to minimise the disruption to service. This is usually on a Saturday night/early hours of Sunday morning, most of the works go on without any commuters having any idea, apart from when we mess up that is!!

Replacement bus from hull to Hessle. Replacement raft from Hessle to Hull. Simple.

Standee reacts negatively to most things posted on here. Not a personal insult of course.
I'd love to know what the Tindsley Viaduct project came out to in the end!!!!!!!

Depends on the criteria you're using to judge whether the project is value for money, I suppose.

Yours seems to be distance?

I bet you threw a right wobbler over the Crossrail project in London. Costing over £14bn for 100km of track, £140m per km.

The A63 is costing £50m per km.

Using your criteria, which is better value for money?

indeed, the mind can only boggle at how much HST will end up costing per km for example - it will be miles more than the estimates. as well as just the road, there will be tunnels and bridges to build, all pushing the cost up

Crossrail is a little more important than the A63...

Like I said, it depends on the criteria your're using. Your initial criteria was value for money based on the distance it covered.


In terms of 'importance', does that mean what's important to you?

The best way to measure value for money vs importance would be by using passenger/user figures:

Crossrail will benefit around 200m passengers per year, according to their website. £14.8bn/200m is £74 per head.

So, the A63 route needs just over 1m users (road, cycles and pedestrians) per year (or 2,750 per day), to make this investment equally as financially viable as Crossrail.