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I totally agree !
[/sizewhy cant the paying supporters of their clubs have access to match offical reports! I'm led to believe these are forwarded to the clubs after review with cummins ?
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I totally agree !
[/sizewhy cant the paying supporters of their clubs have access to match offical reports! I'm led to believe these are forwarded to the clubs after review with cummins ?
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| Quote ="colt-45"www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/hull-fc/pearson-keen-for-officials-to-answer-1-4613682?fb_ref=.T8xyRm96lB0.like&fb_source=home_multiline[size=150
I totally agree !
[/sizewhy cant the paying supporters of their clubs have access to match offical reports! I'm led to believe these are forwarded to the clubs after review with cummins ?'"
Pearson is being naieve making statements like that, the RFL will just close ranks and the 50/50's will go the other way every time.
People have been trying to "improve" the RFL for 40 years+, nothing changes.
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| He's not wrong though is he and you are right, but nothing will change if no-one does/says anything about it. Keep chipping away and maybe one day....
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| Those of you who are not Hull City fans probably weren't aware this was coming, but those who are know Adam Pearson will always speak his mind even it he knows nothing will come of it.
He seems to be the only outspoken chairman in rugby league at the moment, hopefully his example will encourage others to do the same.
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| Quote ="Standee"Pearson is being naieve making statements like that, the RFL will just close ranks and the 50/50's will go the other way every time.
People have been trying to "improve" the RFL for 40 years+, nothing changes.'"
Pearson can and should say what he likes.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"Pearson can and should say what he likes.'"
If he wants to cosnatntly poke the snake it's up to him, it's his train set. Personally, I'd be picking my battles a little better.
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| People are getting fed up with it though. If that game was in Aus , Ganson would have been dropped.
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| Quote ="B0NES"People are getting fed up with it though. If that game was in Aus , Ganson would have been dropped.'"
This is the problem, no punishment or apologies.
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| I be pretty annoyed if I was Thierry Alibert though. He got downgraded for mis counting yet Ganson got away with a pretty blantent wrong decision that was on telly for all to see and nothing happens? I'd be asking questions of Mr Cummins if I was Alibert.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"This is the problem, no punishment or apologies.'"
Alibert got dropped for counting to seven. Ganson appears to be untouchable no matter what he gets up to and it's not on.
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| Pressure needs putting on Cummins by the RFL to sort out the Refs , It needs to be brought up at the SL chairmen's meetings to make sure SL/RFL do something . There's far to many games were we are left talking about wrong decisions during a game than the actual game itself.
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| Quote ="B0NES"Pressure needs putting on Cummins by the RFL to sort out the Refs , It needs to be brought up at the SL chairmen's meetings to make sure SL/RFL do something . There's far to many games were we are left talking about wrong decisions during a game than the actual game itself.'"
Exactly. Well done Pearson, clearly he has shown he has many problems with the RFL and he is not afraid to say so.
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| First and foremost, Cummins needs to be ousted.
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| Quote ="Isaiah"First and foremost, Cummins needs to be ousted.'"
Totally agree. Far too comfortable in his job.
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| Quote ="Isaiah"First and foremost, Cummins needs to be ousted.'"
There lies the problem though. Who replaces him? Ganson? If Ganson is dropped for a mistake who replaces him? With the numbers of "professional" referees available any sort of punishment is tokenism at best. Alibert didn't look to have improved much for being dropped on yesterday's performance. Maybe fining them would work better? From what I understand if Ganson wasn't telling porkies they're pretty well paid.
Agree wholeheartedly with Pearson though and it needs to be said because at the moment the RFL are smugly patting themselves on the back thinking that they are the best sports administrators around. All of the Chairmen need to be forcing an open debate and making their views and voting patterns known so that we know who is ultimately sanctioning the way the game is run , promoted and refereed.
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| Quote ="ChrisH"There lies the problem though. Who replaces him? Ganson? If Ganson is dropped for a mistake who replaces him? With the numbers of "professional" referees available any sort of punishment is tokenism at best. Alibert didn't look to have improved much for being dropped on yesterday's performance. Maybe fining them would work better? From what I understand if Ganson wasn't telling porkies they're pretty well paid.
Agree wholeheartedly with Pearson though and it needs to be said because at the moment the RFL are smugly patting themselves on the back thinking that they are the best sports administrators around. All of the Chairmen need to be forcing an open debate and making their views and voting patterns known so that we know who is ultimately sanctioning the way the game is run , promoted and refereed.'"
I guess that day isn't far off imo.
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| Good Luck Mr Pearson, but I suspect you are doomed to failure altering the RFL has been a graveyard of so many CEO's/owners and chair persons over the years.
We need a larger pool of officials so we they can be kept on top form. At the moment they can have a series of bad games and nothing happens much unless you are French. By having ten or twelve full time officials they can be graded very week and a poor grade sends them to the lower divisions the following week. If the are constantly marked down they should be re trained and if it continues replaced as in the real world. The reviewing panel need to be made up of a former official, a former player and chaired by an RFL official with full in depth knowledge of the operational rules.
I know officials make mistakes, I think the French one made several yesterday but there is a whole world of difference between him and others constant " mistakes". We need the officials to be fair, consistant and with a level of professionalism, they are falling well short of that goal currently.
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| Quote ="ChrisH"There lies the problem though. Who replaces him? Ganson? '"
I really don’t know much about how it all works, but do we need a ‘Cummins’?
Wouldn’t it be better with a panel to sort things out, like perhaps the fourth officials.
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| There's also Jon Sharp who is in charge of referees development or something. Probably spending too much on admin instead of more officials on the pitch.
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| What bemused me about magic weekend was that there seemed to be a few reffs who i had not been aware of before whos officiating was spot on, in these games the matches flowed hadly any whistle blowing totally enjoyable games to watch !
then turn your attention to "well established" refs and the games become all about them !
Also as a side point Why if the RFL are going to mess around with silly little rule changes why not introduce When at a game with video officals make them the overriding offical (not wait to be of assistance) if game play has stopped, and for god sake allow then to rule on a forward pass by not ruling on a forward pass they allowing "cheating" to be rewarded. They have the technology use it.
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| Quote ="Airlie Street"
The two Hull Chairmen seem to be the only outspoken chairmen in rugby league at the moment.'"
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Fair play to Pearson I fully agree with the guy.
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| Quote ="Easty"Editted
Fair play to Pearson I fully agree with the guy.'"
Agreed on the edit, should have put that first time!
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| Quote ="colt-45" and for god sake allow then to rule on a forward pass by not ruling on a forward pass they allowing "cheating" to be rewarded. They have the technology use it.'"
Whilst the dobbins try came from a very obvious forward pass, it hardly constitutes 'cheating' as you claim as it was not a deliberate act by the player passing the ball. Neither was it 'blatent' as that again that infers some sort of deliberate act on the passing players behalf.
The problem lies with how referees are instructed to apply the rules, the rules are the rules. Apply them (with a small amount of leniancy of course) or just get rid of the rule.
Also the touchies need to have more involvement and/or authority to over-ride the head official, some are afraid to make important decisions and/or instruct the referee of an infringement. There's letting the game flow and just letting it get beyond a joke, because it is often the latter teams/coaches are aware of this and thus you have situations described as a 'flat pass' which are invariably forward which are let go because the refs don't want a stop start game all the time.
Enforce the rules and you'll have some horrible stop start games at first but soon enough players/coaches will grasp they'll have to stick far mmore rigidly to the rules and thus the games should be far less controversial.
I know NFL is really stop start so in some ways is easier to officiate with 7 officials but the rules are often followed to the Nth degree which is a step too far
Still think we should have a coach challenge, one in each half.
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| Fair play to Pearson for speaking out, but gotta chuckle at the hypocracy on this thread, bearing in mind the grief Hudgell has had off your lot for doing the same thing.
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| Quote ="Dudley"Fair play to Pearson for speaking out, but gotta chuckle at the hypocracy on this thread, bearing in mind the grief Hudgell has had off your lot for doing the same thing.'"
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