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| Baffles me how we can be close to the salary cap tbh but hey ho
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| So we have only four props ? Three 1st team 2nd rowers and were near the cap ? So some players are on way too much possibly seymour at a guess or were not spending the full cap
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| Quote ="Tongan Mafia"Baffles me how we can be close to the salary cap tbh but hey ho'"
Me too, looking at our squad I just can't see how we are even close to the cap.
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Obst?
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Seymour
Heremaia
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O'Carroll
Martin
Hard to see how we can't bring in a couple more players. I'm pretty sure AP said we'd look to bring in some big names. Maybe he meant in 2013.
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| Looks a poor return on £1.65m compared to other teams
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| He does say its not the end of the recruitment though. So probably a prop/second row arriving? It begs the question why they didnt give Radford a player/coach deal. I thought he looked solid enough the few times I saw him last season.
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| I know we dont know what these players are on but if we are near salary cap then some players are on way too much. We havent been spending the full cap with old board and now we have released all these players and we are still near salary cap? Something just doesnt add up to me.
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| Front row seems fine but the backrow is a worry any injuries and we will be in trouble. Dowes, Phelps, Burnett and Wash were all on small wages so wont have freed up much cap.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"Out:
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Obst? On Peanuts
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Hard to see how we can't bring in a couple more players. I'm pretty sure AP said we'd look to bring in some big names. Maybe he meant in 2013.'"
IMO Gleeson, Obst, Burnett and Phelps will have been on no more than 40k a year and we have brought in four players on at least 100 k(McKinnon,Seymour,Heremaia and Lynch) with Ellis,O'Carroll and Martin all on a decent wage and covering the lads that have left. Tickle, Manu and Moa all getting pay rises. Rome wasn't built in a day and people need to realise that we will push on next year and then get better year on year.
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| Whiting at back row this season then, seems people have their wish about playing the young uns.
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| Quote ="flezmundo"Whiting at back row this season then, seems people have their wish about playing the young uns.'"
Imo, he would make an outstanding old fashioned loose forward given an extended run there. Despite him playing for you, he's a player i really rate.
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| Quote ="Alex Mc"Imo, he would make an outstanding old fashioned loose forward given an extended run there. Despite him playing for you, he's a player i really rate.'"
Always has looked a L/F to me too.
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| Suppose Mcrae did say a champion player that would cost what 150k in wages ? I suppose if we can bring another forward in then will make us look stronger
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| The current board and coaching team have been restricted by the last board and Agar.
However I don't think that the old board signings where too bad.
Has any other team brought in a better FB or HB than Mckinnon and Seymour.
Ellis provides good back up and O Carroll gives us much needed depth in the props.
Lynch is great signing (by the new team)
Another forward and I will be pretty happy with our squad, much better balanced than last year, new coaching staff and a chance to play some young kids.
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| Quote ="Dave K."The current board and coaching team have been restricted by the last board and Agar.
Hopefully I don't think that the old board signings where too bad.
Has any other team brought in a better FB or HB than Mckinnon and Seymour.
Ellis provides good back up and O Carroll gives us much needed depth in the props.
Lynch is great signing (by the new team)
Another forward and I will be pretty happy with our squad, much better balanced than last year, new coaching staff and a chance to play some young kids.'"
That's pretty much how I see it. I would have liked a better centre, in fact I think it was priority, but having let so many forwards go we needed to replace them. I am happy with our overseas signings.
We will finally get what we asked for and see some of the younger players get some game time.
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| cant believe your still blaming agar
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| Very concerned about our pack now for next season. 4 props and 3 SRs in total with maybe one more "squad player" of some kind coming in. That is madness and it is a little baffling that we are close to the cap.
No doubt when we have lost a couple of forwards to injury and we are getting battered up front in games, it will be down to "bad luck".
I can't believe the underwhelming news that has come out of the club only days before passes go on sale.
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| Quote ="thehullwhitestar"Very concerned about our pack now for next season. 4 props and 3 SRs in total with maybe one more "squad player" of some kind coming in. That is madness and it is a little baffling that we are close to the cap.
No doubt when we have lost a couple of forwards to injury and we are getting battered up front in games, it will be down to "bad luck".
I can't believe the underwhelming news that has come out of the club only days before passes go on sale.'"
I don't remember anyone saying we are after a squad player?
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"I don't remember anyone saying we are after a squad player?'"
You don't think that is the inference in today's HDM from McCrae? We're certainly not going to sign anyone of any note or better than our current 3 backrowers.
The current squad +1 looks very threadbare indeed in the way of depth. We have released so many players and yet we are "close to the cap"?
These academy players that Agar's never given a chance are going to have to be decent or we'll have real problems next season in the pack.
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| Quote ="thehullwhitestar"You don't think that is the inference in today's HDM from McCrae? We're certainly not going to sign anyone of any note or better than our current 3 backrowers.
The current squad +1 looks very threadbare indeed in the way of depth. We have released so many players and yet we are "close to the cap"?
These academy players that Agar's never given a chance are going to have to be decent or we'll have real problems next season in the pack.'"
No, I think that it was to quash the ideas that we are going to sign Lyon/Jennings/Thaiday/Gallen etc etc. They are 'champion players' IMO.
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"No, I think that it was to quash the ideas that we are going to sign Lyon/Jennings/Thaiday/Gallen etc etc. They are 'champion players' IMO.'"
Our pack looks very very thin. It is very strong if we have everybody available but when injuries strike (even just an average amount) we're going to be screwed. We have 4 established props and 3 excellent backrowers and that's it !!!
I'm certainly no fan of Radford's but why convince him to retire and then not replace him?
Fitz, Radford, Dowes, Lauaki and Washbrook all gone and only Lynch and O'Carroll (plus maybe one more) coming in. I think that is complete madness.
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| Quote ="thehullwhitestar"Our pack looks very very thin. It is very strong if we have everybody available but when injuries strike (even just an average amount) we're going to be screwed. We have 4 established props and 3 excellent backrowers and that's it !!!
I'm certainly no fan of Radford's but why convince him to retire and then not replace him?
Fitz, Radford, Dowes, Lauaki and Washbrook all gone and only Lynch and O'Carroll (plus maybe one more) coming in. I think that is complete madness.'"
I agree...
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"No, I think that it was to quash the ideas that we are going to sign Lyon/Jennings/Thaiday/Gallen etc etc. They are 'champion players' IMO.'"
Totally Agree.
Maybe McRae has been reading the forums, maybe he thinks we need to get a grip of reality.
I think we possibly have space for a decent signing if we release Obst. Someone in the McKinnon, Seymour, Lynch bracket but not a World Class Star like half of this forum are expecting.
p.s I notice Smailes mentions "It has seen players such as Manly duo Jamie Lyon and Tony Williams suggested as possible targets in some quarters" in the article. He must be reading this forum
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| Quote ="Dave K." Has any other team brought in a better FB or HB than Mckinnon and Seymour.
Lynch is great signing (by the new team)
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Agree about Lynch.
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