Basically.

Effort was there, was a little unluckly which doesn't help against teams like Wigan but we had chances in the second half and couldn't convert them.

Manu can take a bow!

Story of the last 4 years.

Effort is always there, game plan and the mentality of the player's is not.

Precisely.

Well on the outside luking in agar needs to use gillette fusion Wat a nasty shaving rash agar has

as usual we seem to be able to get into the danger zone, but converting that pressure into points is proving to be a massive problem. plenty of effort there tonight, but hull need to learn how to score points against the top end teams.

Looks like he has be necking with Kath.

Plenty of effort but simply not good enough.

Wigan were far from their best too.

Totally agree !!

Wigan were there for the taking tonight and a good side would have done exactly that but unfortunately we are not a good side. Plenty of effort, courage and enthusiasm but ultimately not good enough yet again.

It really shows how far the bar has been lowered when Agar is kind of happy that we have "competed with" and "pushed close" a top side at home.

We really are a very average side in many ways.

With comments like that from the top is there any wonder we are not good enough.

I had to switch the TV off as I can't afford a replacement. What a numbnuts.

We should be thankful to just be on the same pitch as them eh!

Up to now I've managed to not rate Agar as a coach without actively disliking him as a person. Over the course of the last few weeks I've developed itchy knuckles whenever I see his face or hear his voice. I just want to give him a slap or a good shake when he comes out with his increasingly unrealistic wafflings.

I've felt exactly the same for a long time. I've wanted him to leave our club for too long but, at the same time, I've thought that he's a nice bloke who tries his best and wants the best for our club. I have now developed something that is bordering on hatred for the guy.

His ineptitude is really hurting my club and I just can't listen to him anymore.

That's another significant deterioration IMO. It used to be that he spoke sense in his post match comments, accurately describing our problems but just not doing anything about them, a la Peter Sharp's latter days. We've now reached a point where he talks tripe as well as serving it up on the pitch.

When a coach has been around as long as Agar has the team will always play in their image, good or bad. Our team is all effort and no brains.

Phil Gould once said " The way a team plays, reflects the personality of the coach!!"

Says it all really!!!

Put it this way, If Wigan had have had as many chances as we did in the 20, they would have rattled up another 30 points. We look clueless in attack still. At one point, I wanted a player to run away from their try line to the 20 as we actually look more dangerous from deeper. We get in the 10 and hardly ever score.

My feelings exactly. 3+ years is a long period of relentless disappointment. He's like a Dementor from Harry Potter, sucking the soul out of the club and the spirit out of its fans. Wish he'd sod off and soon.

We must be reaching the end game of Agar's tenure now.
He has assembled his own team & had a relatively healthy squad. And yet, we've gone backwards. He can tell us where we have gone wrong each week, but seems unable to rectify the problems.
As soon as we go 2 scores down in a game, you know there's not a chance we can come back to win.
I have faith in AP to do the right thing.

Pretty much how I see it and think it will happen. Going backwards from last year is unacceptable with what IMO is a better squad and with definitely fewer injuries overall. He knows what's wrong for the most part but cannot fix it and continues to make the same mistakes particularly with bench selection. A change is needed and I think it will come.

I very much hope you are right. My concerns are that Rule has been Agar's biggest advocate, has staunchly refused to acknowledge the importance of the coach anyway, and is Pearson's main adviser. Also the worry that if he were to replace Agar, he might think the current national coach would be a good idea.

The one good thing is that AP said he was due to talk to Agar last week and referred to him as "the most important man at the club", not Agar but the coach. That's an improvement on Rules belief.

The scary thing is that I think Kath & the previous board would have been happy for him to remain in charge.
Scrapping for 8th place is pretty depressing for a club of our size.

That is encouraging. Hopefully Pearson's independent viewpoint will allow him to review the evidence before him which is that going into a fifth season of Agar will not deliver silverware. Or a Challenge Cup match unless we draw a Championship club. Or a play-off berth.