Is it possible to be undecided about how you feel about the head coach.

We all know where we feel he is going wrong.

His Interchanges are all wrong and is not getting the best out of Moa, Houghton and Fitz.

He has continually blamed the fact it was not his team even though other coaches have stepped into clubs and made an immediate impact.

His percentage of wins is nowhere near good enough for a club of our size

On the flip side..........

I am happy with the level of discipline he is setting in the squad and the example he is setting to the youngster and also Westerman who came with a reputation. This is the reason I would hold no fears over signing a player like Gleeson who is potentially being sacked over drinking as he would know he is coming to a club who dont take prisoners.

I am also happy with the players who he seems able to bring to the club. O'Meely is proving to be one of the best props to wear the black and whites, Fitz is a true leader, Moa is proving to be a handful week in week out, Briscoe and Sharp look like scoring tries for fun.

Although it was easy to get swept up in all the anti agar europria of last week it was also endearing to see the players and board back him. I am happy knowing there are no issues in the camp at present and also knowing the team and staff feel they can turn this around.

Therefore I am willing to give them a break I feel everyone else should too.

I don't want to come across as a spin doctor, I have watched Hull for over 20 years and appreciate that is dog years compared to some, all I am saying is If the players are behind a coach there is something right, In any workplace if the staff are happy normally you get good results, if you don't you tend to replace the staff!!!!

I was one who was willing to give him a chance and got sick of sticking up for him for too long. Im now in the "i think its time he left" brigade. The only thing is that at this moment in time there is nobody out there (and no i wouldnt like noble) good enough to the standards of coach we as fans would like.

So in that respect id be happy he stayed till the end of the season and hopefully sort somthing out in the meantime.

Hey,you are not allowed to be positive on here

He needs to go .He hasn't taken the club any further on from when he took over . Errors have increased , Penalties have nearly doubled , Points +&- have declined alarmingly. He'll never coach in SL again.

Spot on. And those aren't the major problems!!

Can't really argue with you and its points like that why I was all for Agar getting the push.

All I am trying to point out with this tread is that for every negative point I can think of about Agar I can also think of a positive one and that I really am in two minds about the guy. There is still a part of me that does believe he can still get it right this season.

I am of the opinion we should not being looking to sack him just yet but also if we are looking like we are nowhere near challenging for top 4 we should not be looking to let him finish the season.

Apologies to the Mods, just noticed there is a fresh Agar thread that this could have been added too

Ask yourselves whether wigan or wire would be as good if agar were their current coach and you'll have your answer

not sure, is it possible to ever answer these sort of questions correctly.

Plus lets not forget both of those clubs have had backing in terms of players they sign and salarys they pay. Not sure how they are doing it but it is clear to everyone they are being a little bit less tighter when it comes to the purse strings. This will improve the perception people have of the coach as they have a better product on the field, having quality out there with ball in hand making better decisions, dropping less ball and giving away less penalties.

It's a hypothetical question isn't it, on the flip side could either of them coach our side to a grand final? Probably not. Warrington and Wigan both have some outstanding players and strength in depth, tbh I'd fancy my chances of coaching them to at least a top 6 place myself.

May it be that he is more suited to a Director of Rugby role than a coaching role? We all largely agree his recruitment and implementation of discipline through the squad is effective and he seems to be doing a good job according to Rule and the Hetherington's. He seems to be well thought of by the majority of the players. He also seems to also know a thing or two about the technical side of coaching, based on his comments on other games. So maybe he would actually be a loss to the club if he was disposed of completely? However, like many, I feel he's taken the club as far as he can on the pitch and should move aside in favour of someone of the Maguire/Brown ilk.

When I look at a coach's capabilities, I ask if that coach has the majority of his players playing at near to their optimum on a regular basis. With smith and maguire I'd say yes, with agar it's definitely no. In fact I can think of few instances in his tenure when they have

Michael Maguire inherited, in his first season, the same squad that Brian Noble had, plus Paul Deacon!

I can't really claim that my opinion is valid as I did not watch Wigan week in week out for the last few years but from an opposition fan It seemed to me like Noble did some great work with your club and improved them year on year, I think if he had stayed on he would have lead them to a trophy anyway.

Wakefield game has made my mind up. He has to go now for sure. Something has to give.

I think someone elso on another thread had it bang on when they said the Wakey game was a turning point. Agar has been losing fans for months but I reckon he is now losing fans like myself who could see the good work he was doing and prepared tog give him longer. This would explain the increased frustration showed by fans at the end of the game.

Hull have to move him out now in order to turn things around but they MUST get the right man this time.

I'm of the same opinion; It's Gloria Gaynor time for me.

On the reverse of that,would we be top of the league if we had either of their coaches?

Maybe not, but i do feel, we would be more consistent in our performances,more structured in our attack,

but ultimately........ we would be closing the gap, on the top sides.

Whoever,the next appointment must be experienced,proven and preferrably from the NRL.

Simple fact is, at the moment it pointless Agar going, because the clowns who employed him will find another one.

Untill the Board and the ownership of the club change we might as well stay as we are.

I dnot think we would be top but I reckon we would be closer to there than the bottom.

It is clear there is something not right in the camp and there are only so many variables to change, we have already overhaulled the players, we cannot do to much about the board but to be honest I dont have to many grumbles about the way the club is run except for the appointment of a quality coaching set up.

They have to look at this and move to the only variable left to change - AGAR

I agree. Change in ownership was what really started to change the Wigan club. The right owners then start to bring in the right coaching staff and players

No, but we wouldn't be bottom either

Not the board/owners who have ecouraged the slide of the club?

Just a little observation.......I drove back from London early on Friday to be able to get to the game. Lost quite a bit of money in my earnings, and spent a fortune on Deisel too. Got to the KC, paid my £22 and took my seat......THEN WAS DULY AWARDED WITH A FARSE!!!!
It was like watching 'puberty' at a boys Grammar School happening in front of me, with the amount of balls dropping, the FC boys should all have much deeper voices too!!!!!!. Just utterly terrible......BUT, I did count the amount of trys Hull FC 'bombed' with the line at their mercy. Without the conversions going over for these trys that never was......We would've had at least 28 points on the board as well as the 6 we actually did get.
Now........Call me what ya like, and this again is my observation, but Richard Agar was not passing or catching the ball on Friday......WAS HE?
As 'Black and Whitely' has already said......Agar has got the players respect, he doesnt take any nonsense from any of them and he has, on paper, got a pretty damn good team.
Those calling for Nobby to come and take over, remember this, While in charge of the GB set-up, he seemed to have an almost disregard for Hull FC players.....He, in my oppinion, doesnt seem to like our city at all. Again, just an observation. OK the guy wants a job.....But hell, if i wanted a job right now, and was offered a place at Hull KR i'd probably take it for the money...... Do we want a coach that would only be here for the cash?????
Agar must be gutted hearing the Boo's and the chants to get him out.......But you never know, the players might've taken them same chants 'n' boo's on board and wipe the baby oil off their hands for the next game. I know for a fact that had those passes stuck, we would have won that game on Friday. Richard Agar is not at fault for pro RL players not being (seemingly) able to catch a bleedin' ball.
Personally....I was embarrased to hear the return of the Boo's.... and the chants left a sour taste (i didn't join in) but if the players are still behind the guy and actually want to save his job.....Then maybe they will catch a few balls at weekend, AND WE'LL WIN...AND KEEP WINNING