This forum is a bit depressing at the moment with everyone expecting the worst out of this season.

We have yet to win a game and don't look like seriously challenging right now.

However, I'd like to add a more positive view point.

We started to see some good signs against Huddersfield and anyone who watched the replay would agree that there were some lucky Huddersfield try's. Phelps arrival is not too far away which will enable players out of position to revert back to positions practised during pre-season.

Rovers have lost Dobson for 10 weeks and look to have serious half back problems.

Bradford have picked up some serious injury's in key positions.

Warrington have a few injury's which could take their toll further down the line

Saints have Eastmond who is more interested in staying fit for his move to union that helping saints challenge for honours.

Leeds have picked up injury's and are looking to have a similar inconsistent start as last season.

I really think that if we can get the basics right and have better luck with injury's we can hopefully get out of this bad patch and string some wins together to cement our top 8 position.

This isn't an Agar out thread but just a realistic look at the condition of other teams compared to were we are right now

We have stooped that low we should now look to other teams miss-fortunes to feel some positivity



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And yet they still beat us with 14 men. Go figure.

As you state about Wire they have injuries but you would still fancy them most weeks to perform and take the points as they have built a very strong squad of players with fierce competition for places something we don't appear to have done, oh and they have a world class coach

As for Leeds Peacock,Maguire,Bailey,Cross,Webb,Ablett,Delaney, out at anyone time would hinder any team and although they lost to Quins i don't think they be too worried at the momment and at least they throw the ball about and play some enternaining rugby

Wow a top 8 position. We should be looking at top 4 not scraping the top bloody 8.

Hang on a minute. We've had seasons of misfortune while other clubs have had success. Cas and Catalans making the playoffs at our expense for example. It's all part of a long super league season.

I'm trying to make the point that everything looks all doom and gloom right now but come the mid-point of the season we may find that others are struggling just a little bit more more than us for results.

Do stop, we are bottom of the league, end of

We dont have a right to make the top 4 mate. Wigan, Saints, Leeds, and Warrington are better teams than us in my opinion so to break into the top 4 this season would have been a very succesful season. I see us more as a 5th or 6th place team with our current squad.

you waste your time with most of them on this board.

Haha. I give up! I'm just trying to evaluate the season as a whole rather than looking at just 3 games.

I think you're not seeing that people aren't just judging Agar on these three games, that's how the club and the media are protraying it but it's not the case.

If we don't make at least 5th then Agar will have failed as we won't have progressed from last season. And TBH I don't see us finishing that high unless there are some radical improvements in our play, regardless of how unlucky other sides might be.

The long game, I think 3 years is a very long game and it still isn't paying dividends.

It's more than 3 years. Agar's reign just consolidates the problems we've been having since Bomber left.

I meant Agars long game, but you are quite right, things have been going steadily downhill for a lot longer.

I do think that people are conveniently associating our nightmare 2008, 2009 seasons with Agar to prove a point. We all know there was more behind those two seasons than just Agar.

However i take the point that we have not seen the style of rugby that was promised to us at the time of his appointment. The lack of an attacking edge has for me been the biggest problem over the years which in turn results in our inability to finish teams off

To prove a point?!

He was the head coach FFS.

TBH I am not considering our 2008/09 seasons, I am thinking about the fact we have only won 3 out of the last 11 games, 2 of those wins were very close encounters and the other against Quins...that kind of tells me we have problems, coaches have been sacked for a lot less.

Need to put a decent run together to improve on last season - possible but the basics would be a good place to begin the improvement.

I wonder if West Yorkie's real name is Phil Back...?

Therein lies the problem, we havent been able to master these for a few years now so I dont hold out much hope of it happening anytime soon.

Look I understand why people are angry and why you would automatically blame Agar for all our problems. But there's been a series of blunders that have caused us to fall behind.

The signings of Dykes and Thorman.
Inability to replace mcmenemy and swain.
Peter Sharp signing average aussies.
The Paul Cooke saga.
Injury crisis.
The loss of carvell at the wrong time
The loss of berrigan and tansey pre season
The lack of a quality experienced assistant

Just a few things off the top of my head

back to the old expectation versus reality thing again, we have no rights to finish anywhere but top 8 is good and above that superb...
realistically we should go abouve last years finish but hey 3 games in !!!

No one has said we have a right to be top 4. Its just that with a 6th place finish last year that's what should have been the aim when the coach and the board met to discuss the 2011 season and the club objectives.