Our coach hasn't many options to change things for the derby but for me he needs to drop moa and bring thackray back in. Put Manu on the bench and start radford in the 2nd row with washy at LF.

My bench would be:

thackray
manu
king
lee

We shouldn't be looking to risk whiting in the derby but he may come into contention for Monday at saints

Correct mate you are right Manu on the bench, with Thacks,Lee and Whiting for me he gives us more options or Kingy.

Agree with your bench. King was pathetic yesterday mind.

Already said that on another thread

Manu has been doing far too many minutes recently. I think he's done the full 80 for the last 4 games running simply because he is our main attacking threat and if we take him off we look even worse (if thats possible).

He put in a great defensive stint yesterday and was heavily marked on attack because he is our only attacking threat as you say. Should and would come off the bench if our 'marquee' player could get a visa.

The best thing about his play yesterday was his refusal to accept a working over by their scond rower. Sure he gave a penalty away but at least refused to be roughed up. Our other soft-as- forwards could take a lead from him.

I don't get why have Moa on the bench to play a total of 15 minutes a game.

Get him in the reserves for a couple of weeks to get some fitness and we may get 30-40 out of him.

waste of a bench spot at the moment

FWIW i don't think you'll ever see Moa getting any more gametime than he currently does. He is an out and out impact player and 10 minute bursts will be all he is ever capable of.

A palpable waste of money imo and bringing these type of players over clearly sends out the wrong signals to young British players.

dont you mean 10 minute burst

Lee
Thackray
King
Washbrook

Quite. As I've said elsewhere, at least Feka does a few spells. Moa needs to be capable of doing that (he may be) and given the chance by the coaching staff (he isn't).

Spot on, what you see is what you get if he ran at half backs he may burst through, his whole body shape makes him quite easy for bigger forwards to stop him.
Maybe Thacks has been giving a bit of lip about it hence his stint in the 21s, maybe the rest dont like the treatment Thacks is getting.

If that's the case then all concerned can feck off right now. They're paid to play rugby to the best of their ability, not sulk like kids.

Maybe but then this comes down to Agar...it looks like he has his favorites and to see somebody jump off a plane and straight into the 1st team will cheese some off,Maloney?..........should have put thacks in the u-21s for a match....not carry on like he is doing and screwing the team up.

Contracts....a tribunal with have a bloody field day.

As you know, I'm not a fan of Agar and didn't welcome his appointment. But there is NEVER an excuse for professional RL players to give less than 100% effort just because they're unhappy with a coaching decision. It just takes the pi$$ out of the fans who pay their wages.

And yes, I am aware that contracts can't be torn up mid-season. But I'd certainly hope to get shot of any players with such an appalling attitude at the first available opportunity. No matter who they might be, either.

In the meantime, replacing them with players from the reserves might be a salutary lesson. If we're going to lose games through incompetence and pique anyway...

He burst through the other day and no one could be d to be on his shoulder and score the certain try that would have resulted. This type of player requires the team to play around him and to his strengths. He played 20 minutes yesterday - 10 each side of HT. Not enough I agree but he wasn't the worst Hull forward on the pitch. Agar should play him for longer or not select him.

Thacks
King
G. Horne (Whiting to Centre)
Manu

Hope whiting can create more chance's for the right side he's a good ball player.