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| Would like to think so.
Whiting,washy and thacks in.
Give dowes a week off and let kingy and Moa get some quality game time in(if that's possible with the way we use our interchanges)
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| Quote ="geordie thorman"Would like to think so.
Whiting,washy and thacks in.
Give dowes a week off and let kingy and Moa get some quality game time in(if that's possible with the way we use our interchanges)'"
Id agree with that. Whiting and Washy need to come in, i'd maybe even bring Maloney in and give both Dowes and Moa the rest. (Moa to play reserves)
Whiting into the 2nd row to give Radders a rest and Washy onto the bench. Wholesale changes needed.
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| Quote ="geordie thorman"Would like to think so.
Whiting,washy and thacks in.
Give dowes a week off and let kingy and Moa get some quality game time in(if that's possible with the way we use our interchanges)'"
i'd change ur name for a start
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| Speaking for me and my Dad, if the same 19 is named for next week we won't be going. The game was frustrating enough, Agar's seeming denial of just how bad it was was even worse. He seriously needs to take some action after that.
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| Washbrook for Lee ?
Whiting for G Horne ?
Thackray for Moa ?
Still dosnt help things at Halfback.
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| Quote ="B0NES"Washbrook for Lee ?
Whiting for G Horne ?
Thackray for Moa ?
Still dosnt help things at Halfback.'"
The main reason I want to see changes is just so that players actually consider that they may have to play for their places. That's 2 poor performances in a row for the team as a whole, and a few players also coasted a bit through the wins as well. If the same 19 are left in it sends the wrong message IMO. There's a fine line between showing faith in your players and ignoring their failings.
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| Next week I can see a lot of changes. Expect to see Maloney, Hodgson, Washbrook and Whiting given a run out and the likes of Berrigan rested
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| Quote ="B0NES"Washbrook for Lee ?
Whiting for G Horne ?
Thackray for Moa ?
Still dosnt help things at Halfback.'"
Hopefully the halfbacks will look a little more lively when the forwards start winning the battle upfront again. I'd probably go with each of the changes you have suggested, although I might be tempted to go with Whiting for Yeaman rather than Horne.
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| Quote ="B0NES"Washbrook for Lee ?
Whiting for G Horne ?
Thackray for Moa ?
Still dosnt help things at Halfback.'"
Lee has been one of the better performers, as has G Horne. If Washy and Whiting come in they can come into the pack for me to freshen it up, maybe at the expense of Houghton on the bench and Radford in the back row for a rest. Thacks for Moa i agree with.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Lee has been one of the better performers, as has G Horne. If Washy and Whiting come in they can come into the pack for me to freshen it up, maybe at the expense of Houghton on the bench and Radford in the back row for a rest. Thacks for Moa i agree with.'"
LEE??? Apart from when he didnt come up in the defensive line with the rest of the team to allow harlequind to force themselves over the line..
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| Quote ="Chris1953"LEE??? Apart from when he didnt come up in the defensive line with the rest of the team to allow harlequind to force themselves over the line..'"
Where did that comment come from? Dave put he has been one of the better performers which he has, not that he has done nothing wrong.
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| Quote ="black and Whiteley"Where did that comment come from? Dave put he has been one of the better performers which he has, not that he has done nothing wrong.'"
Some people just have a level of hatred for Tommy that beggars belief. He hasnt been perfect, but he has perked us up defensively every time he has come on and set a very good G Horne try up v Cas. he gives us more attacking flair at 13 than Radford does used their as an extra prop.
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| Quote ="Yeamo"Next week I can see a lot of changes. Expect to see Maloney, Hodgson, Washbrook and Whiting given a run out and the likes of Berrigan rested'"
Salford are a SL club and will be well up for this game as their league campaign is going nowhere. After last night we're not in a position to rest players. I'd be more disappointed going out in the cup, given either Leeds or Saints are going out, than losing the derby.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Some people just have a level of hatred for Tommy that beggars belief. He hasnt been perfect, but he has perked us up defensively every time he has come on and set a very good G Horne try up v Cas. he gives us more attacking flair at 13 than Radford does used their as an extra prop.'"
Agreed, Im not a big tommy lee fan but believe he has shown improvements this year, looks bigger stronger and is good in defence. If the squad is fully fit I wouldnt have him in my 17 but on current form I can name 4-5 players who I would drop before him.
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| y Quote ="Big Dave T"Some people just have a level of hatred for Tommy that beggars belief. He hasnt been perfect, but he has perked us up defensively every time he has come on and set a very good G Horne try up v Cas. he gives us more attacking flair at 13 than Radford does used their as an extra prop.'"
Spot on. Definitely brought some enthusiasm and intensity to our play and has been good the last couple of games.
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| Have to agree with alot of what you guy's are saying!
I think the pack looks tired and could do with some fresh body's King looked good at the back end of the game. Let's hope our new prop Luakai (sorry about spelling) isn't too far away could do with him to allow Cusack and Dowes To spend less time on field.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Salford are a SL club and will be well up for this game as their league campaign is going nowhere. After last night we're not in a position to rest players. I'd be more disappointed going out in the cup, given either Leeds or Saints are going out, than losing the derby.'"
Good summary that. You only have to look at our cup performances last year compared to league. As Paul Cooke said yesterday every defeat Salford suffer brings them closer to a victory. Hopefully it will be today.
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| think tommy lee has been a good player this season at loose man
looks to have bulked up aswell
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"Speaking for me and my Dad, if the same 19 is named for next week we won't be going. The game was frustrating enough, Agar's seeming denial of just how bad it was was even worse. He seriously needs to take some action after that.'"
Oh ffs, its started already.
It was exacly the same as every game I can remeber against them. The bad weather always meant it was going to be an arm wrestle down the middle and Quins are the masters at it. We tried hard but a couple of mistakes ended up making all the difference. They played the perfect slowing down game in the second half and didn't give us a single penalty in the second 40. The sides were very well matched on the day and a couple of pieces of indiscipline unltimately cost us.
I was far more disappointed with last week than this.
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| Quote ="Yeamo"Next week I can see a lot of changes. Expect to see Maloney, Hodgson, Washbrook and Whiting given a run out and the likes of Berrigan rested'"
Struggling with his neck
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| Quote ="black and Whiteley"Agreed, Im not a big tommy lee fan but believe he has shown improvements this year, looks bigger stronger and is good in defence. If the squad is fully fit I wouldnt have him in my 17 but on current form I can name 4-5 players who I would drop before him.'"
nail on the head. he wouldnt be in my 17 but he is in front of several others currently that should be dropped first imo
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| Quote ="manu knighted"Oh ffs, its started already.
It was exacly the same as every game I can remeber against them. The bad weather always meant it was going to be an arm wrestle down the middle and Quins are the masters at it. We tried hard but a couple of mistakes ended up making all the difference. They played the perfect slowing down game in the second half and didn't give us a single penalty in the second 40. The sides were very well matched on the day and a couple of pieces of indiscipline unltimately cost us.
I was far more disappointed with last week than this.'"
So why try and take them on at it? We've consistently failed to beat them that way so it's about time we tried something different.
Our failings are blatantly obvious to even the passing observer, and have been for a while. The fact that nothing seems to be done to change these fundamental problems suggests to me that our playing and coaching staff are braindead. I've seen amateur sides with more tactical nous.
The sides were very well matched you say? From the 50th minute I couldn't see any way we were going to get back into the game. For a game to be pretty much settled so early indicates a bit of a gulf IMO.
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| if there is supposed to be all these changes then does that suggest that were not taking the competition seriously this season?
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| i would bring washy into the starting 13 drop willy to the bench for a rest ,and i would play big sam in the reserves for some match fittness ,bring back thacks i would possibly rest houghton as well needs some game time under his belt ,maybe bring in whiting on the bench ,i dont think we can make too many changes salford have to be respected any SL team can turn you over on there day ,an idea maybe to start king and thacks giving the other two props a bit of a rest from playing 60 mins
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