What happened in the last 10 minutes, nobody wanted the ball!

Agar didnt use his bench well enough, should have brought houghton back on towards the end, Berrigan looked all over the place.

Thackray doesn't play enough game time for me either

as I said in the other thread the bench was wrong in hindsight

should have had Washbrook in instead of Moa or Lee (neither of whom played badly) last week we needed the forward power on the bench to match Bradford, this week we needed the extra pace and creativity.

here here, moa and lee played well but washy can break lines and has pace in abundence, lets see what happens against quins next week.

Don't think the bench was the reason we lost the game to be honest, the small matter of 57 knock ons in our own half might be though!!!!

it wasn't the only reason, but I feel at the moment if a team closes Thorman and Berrigan down that is it for our creativity and attack. Washbrook gives another option.

Moa did well and made some good runs, but Thackary could have stayed on longer and done a similar job.

We need more minutes out of Moa to take some of the workload off Dowes & Yak

Its a 17 man game which we are handicaping ourselves by only having 16 players available for the full 80 and 1 who can only do 10. All credit to Agar for getting more time out of Manu and the props, but its negated by only having Moa for 10 minutes.

The pack were knackered imo after last weeks performance against the Bradford pack. They gave it their all last week and could not back it up when its was needed most.

I did wonder if that was a factor. Dowes and Yak have been getting through a mountain of work this season.

how little Thackray was used had to be questioned tonight as well, next week we have to consider King or Maloney instead of Thackray/Moa who can play a for longer.

Needed a bit of fair off the bench...Washbrook should have been on bench instead of Lee.

I think Washbrook may replace Moa next week

Tiredness was key for me tonight, we looked to be out on our feet, can't fault the yak or dowesy this season but they need more help than what there currently getting. Glad reinforcements have been signed with moa and hopefully luauki(sp) still to come but they need to hit the ground running.

in the last 5 weeks ive not seen one person on here criticise fitness or agars tactics,soon as we lose a game here we go

Actually, the thread title is a little misleading as nobody has had a go at the fitness specifically.

And tactics only tend to get questioned when they don't work...

It really should be changed to fitness/tactics

By a drop goal. If we'd got a draw and were top of the table, can't help thinking this thread wouldn't have been started somehow.

4 out of the previous 5 teams we had played were big in the pack it's not hard to think that they may be a bit jaded, let's use tonight as a little reminder that the same 2 props can't do 70% of the work week in week out.

We looked gone from 30 mins. Maybe the bulls game took more out of us that we thought, quick turnaround too.

hopefully our 2 day advantage over Quins (who have a small squad anyway) will be beneficial this week

Hopefully. I still fancy us v quins too, we'd have won easily tonight if we'd have played at 50% rather than 25%!

Don't want it to appear like an I told you so, but I have been expecting this to raise his head eventually, and have mentioned it on here. It was only a matter of time. A 10-minute sub does not help the situation either IMO, you simply can't expect 3-4 members of your pack to play 60+ minutes every week and it not have an impact on their level of performance.

Criticise; maybe not. Question; definitely.

Way too simplistic. If true Cas would have won by a lot more points.

Hull weren't that bad and only lost because Tickle missed some goals. Despite what most have said I thought Hull were the better side for most of the game and had they won it would have been a deserved win.

It really does concern me that we play Salford, KR and Saints in a short period of time, we struggled on Friday night because of the short turnaround since Bradford.

Another factors of the decision to play all Friday nights.

We were grabage and Cas were OK but there for the beating.

Yes we'd have won had Tickle kicked the goals but still wouldnt have deserved it.

Our forwards were out muscled and our set completion must have been below 50%. in short thats the reason we got beat. If our forwards had won the battle like previous games and our team had completed even 75% of the sets then we'd have won by a clear margin IMO.