You are totally right we have seen worse than this, however i feel the big big difference now is that in previous bad times we had nothing in place to suggest that anything but bad times were inevitable. As a result of this we as fans accepted the bad times and knew good times would return and the old faithful in any kind of weather stayed true

Now the total difference is everything off the pitch is in place ie. stadium, merchandising, marketing, communications and record sponsorship deals. However we choose a cheap option in the coaching department, our recruitment and retention of players is questionable at times and due to financial restraints etc. peoples loyalty to the club is not as prominent and commitment can be questioned more.

How many times have we been excited by the rugby seen at the KC in the last 2-3 seasons? Barring the Saints game at home this season, i am struggling to think of another game. We all pay enough to be entertained yet our delightful board do not appear to see it this way and we feel we our commitment to the team we all love (and will still support once this shower have long gone) is being taken for granted

I've seen worse too. Maybe the fact I'm bored now and have had enough isn't all down to just the way we play but also it's the way the game has developed as a whole into a far less entertaining spectacle. I rarely bother even watching the Sky games now when only a couple of years ago I wouldn't miss either game.

Hate to against the grain but I think we have played some decent rugby at times to be fair we have scored some decent tries , I know the biggest problem is doing it on a consistent basis and trying to do some decent stuff without longy because then when it seems to break down

Well said. I like a bitch about most things to do with the club at the minute but even i know when i shouldnt be bitching!!

I think there are some really valid points on here. I have supported the club through thick and thin, but that loyalty is now in serious question. Not just the state of the playing rosta but the game as a whole. I can't think of a single team that I would pay to watch at this moment in time.
Just a few years ago I would switch on Sky or turn up at the KC to watch Leeds, Bradford, Saints and expect to be royally entertained. What we see now is a sterile game in which teams play to a ridged game plan and the ones who execute it best win the game.
Its negative and boring. Add into the mix a referee who are told to focus on certain rules at different times (Such as Ganson on Saturday ). Then we have the desire to have a level playing field with salary caps etc and we have imo a game in decline. Ok I don't want Wigan winning everything all the time, but in that perdiod in the 80s / 90s the game was followed far and wide and spoken about due to a great Wigan team. Speak to any one who doesn't follow the game and they know about Wigan but couldn't tell you who the top team is now.
As for moaning about the forum some people just need to get out more and realise that this is one area that the club are getting it right. I just wish they were as good at organising on field activity.

BUMP

Although oddly enough the gates are probably higher now than in those "halcyon" years. It seems that there an average of 50/55,000 people that are prepared to watch our game each week almost regardless of what happens ,probably, like me, always in the hope that it will improve , we'll win more , the beer and company's good , it's not work etc. I agree entirely with your perception though.

Think there have been some good entertaining games on sky recently which contributed to our game at Wakefield being so boring in comparison.

i've got a spare one mate, but i cant find it!! cant even find my own ticket

here we go!!!! who's gonna complain first

LET HIM HAVE IT BOYS!!

no way to talk about the brother

Cummings booed already

2 HOURS?! FFS.

Profit, sustainable business and franchise mentioned in the introductions.

and O'Meley's tash.

1,000 left in West Upper.

James Rule, 'powerless that the game was moved to Thursday but we apologise'

Should be 23k plus.

Is this propoganda? Rule's intro was sickening!

'short turnaround isnt a drama' Agar

How nervous does Tom Briscoe sound?

and more. Get the questions asked.

What should the Chief Exec say at a fans forum 2 days before a derby?