|
 |
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 14302 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Aug 2005 | 19 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Sep 2018 | Sep 2015 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Kosh"The problem is that the club are effectively gagged by the terms of their lease. The SMC apparently aren't. That means we're only going to get one side of the story.'" And if that is true and you make a statement he has grounds to kick you out or fine you depending what the gagging order says. |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Moderator | 36786 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Jul 2003 | 21 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jan 2025 | May 2023 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
Moderator
|
| Quote ="R.B.A"It was a shocking thing to do. The photo's should be put back up immediately. However, it wasnt done as a personal attack on Johnny Whiteley but rather to get his bigger point across. It was clumsy, pretty crass but ultimately very effective.'"
I wasn't aware that Allam had confided in you.
Whatever the underlying reasons, it was not the action of a generous man. Period. |
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Star | 36 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Feb 2013 | 12 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Feb 2013 | Feb 2013 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
Is there actually any proof of a gagging order?
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Moderator | 36786 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Jul 2003 | 21 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jan 2025 | May 2023 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
Moderator
|
| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"And if that is true and you make a statement he has grounds to kick you out or fine you depending what the gagging order says.'"
Correct. Although others have speculated that the confidentiality clause does in fact work in both directions and Allam has simply ignored it. All we really know is that there is a clause and it covers the tenants at least.
There is a lot more to come here, and I doubt any of it will be good. |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Moderator | 36786 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Jul 2003 | 21 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jan 2025 | May 2023 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
Moderator
|
| Quote ="Pony685"Is there actually any proof of a gagging order?'"
What kind of proof would you like?
Someone who has seen the tenants agreements claims that there is a clause preventing discussion of details regarding the lease or rental arrangements. It seems plausible, and our previous owners certainly referred to such a clause. |
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Star | 36 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Feb 2013 | 12 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Feb 2013 | Feb 2013 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Kosh"What kind of proof would you like?
Someone who has seen the tenants agreements claims that there is a clause preventing discussion of details regarding the lease or rental arrangements. It seems plausible, and our previous owners certainly referred to such a clause.'"
Cheers |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Star | 23 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Feb 2013 | 12 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| May 2013 | Mar 2013 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
Although this Event Management company have the catering franchise it is still the SMC that sold them the franchise. Hence, we boycott the drinks and catering side and see where that takes us.
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Board Member | 43413 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Jan 2003 | 22 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Apr 2024 | Sep 2022 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Kosh"What kind of proof would you like?
Someone who has seen the tenants agreements claims that there is a clause preventing discussion of details regarding the lease or rental arrangements. It seems plausible, and our previous owners certainly referred to such a clause.'"
Not only that but also regarding defamation of the landlords and there business or anything negative towards the SMC in general |
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 14302 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Aug 2005 | 19 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Sep 2018 | Sep 2015 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Kosh"Correct. Although others have speculated that the confidentiality clause does in fact work in both directions and Allam has simply ignored it. All we really know is that there is a clause and it covers the tenants at least.
There is a lot more to come here, and I doubt any of it will be good.'" Which adds some weight to RBA's point that the JW picture situation was very nasty and uncalled for excuse to get a massive reaction of out the FC's fanbase (Which I completely agree with and support BTW).
He can now say 'Hey i'm just trying to cover my costs. If you don't believe me look'.
In other words he has poked you with a stick for a reaction and has got one (Again completely understandable IMHO). |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Club Coach | 1738 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Jan 2005 | 20 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Oct 2016 | Oct 2016 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"Which adds some weight to RBA's point that the JW picture situation was very nasty and uncalled for excuse to get a massive reaction of out the FC's fanbase (Which I completely agree with and support BTW).
He can now say 'Hey i'm just trying to cover my costs. If you don't believe me look'.
In other words he has poked you with a stick for a reaction and has got one (Again completely understandable IMHO).'"
Yes he has got one from the fans but personally think he was hoping to get one from the club. |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Moderator | 36786 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Jul 2003 | 21 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jan 2025 | May 2023 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
Moderator
|
| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"Which adds some weight to RBA's point that the JW picture situation was very nasty and uncalled for excuse to get a massive reaction of out the FC's fanbase (Which I completely agree with and support BTW).
He can now say 'Hey i'm just trying to cover my costs. If you don't believe me look'.
In other words he has poked you with a stick for a reaction and has got one (Again completely understandable IMHO).'"
I honestly don't think he was looking for a reaction from the fans. I think he was looking for a reaction from Pearson/FC and/or the Council. And I'm not entirely convinced that removing the JW pictures was key as that was the one thing that might generate more widespread opposition. I think the removal of memorabilia in general was meant to be the trigger and JW was collateral damage. |
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Board Member | 2155 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Apr 2003 | 22 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Oct 2024 | Oct 2024 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
Reading the reaction of the neanderthals on the not606 thread to the SMC statement is quite embarrassing, plus I'm so glad we have a swear filter on here, as i'm not sure of the age of anyone who can join that site, but the language is atrocious.
Also, someone on there mentioned it was Paul Duffen who took a 3.5million loan out against the SMC, what's that got to do with Hull FC, Hull City or The Council? The Allams bought the SMC, the loan is their problem.
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Star | 458 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Jul 2012 | 13 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Aug 2015 | Aug 2015 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"And if that is true and you make a statement he has grounds to kick you out or fine you depending what the gagging order says.'"
And I really hope that is not what you want mate because I get the impression that you are a Rugby League supporter and if this is what you wish then we may as well pack up Super League the game has enough problems without this. If this is not what you wish keep you neb out. |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 14302 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Aug 2005 | 19 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Sep 2018 | Sep 2015 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Kosh"I honestly don't think he was looking for a reaction from the fans. I think he was looking for a reaction from Pearson/FC and/or the Council. And I'm not entirely convinced that removing the JW pictures was key as that was the one thing that might generate more widespread opposition. I think the removal of memorabilia in general was meant to be the trigger and JW was collateral damage.'"
Fair points although it is possible that he thought that upset fans getting on the clubs back to defend itself may have dragged out a comment which was his ultimate aim.
Whatever is true it is possible that the statement today is be just him ratcheting up the pressure for the council and club to say something.
I guess my point is that I doubt this is going to be his last dice throw and the club/council may eventually be forced into a statement if their position becomes untenable. |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 14302 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Aug 2005 | 19 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Sep 2018 | Sep 2015 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Basher"And I really hope that is not what you want mate because I get the impression that you are a Rugby League supporter and if this is what you wish then we may as well pack up Super League the game has enough problems without this. If this is not what you wish keep you neb out.'"
I suggest you read it again and this time read what I actually wrote and not what you thought I wrote. |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 96 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Jan 2010 | 15 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Apr 2016 | Aug 2013 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
Just read the not606 thread. The City fans still haven't grasped the fact that the 50 million that was "pumped into" the club was a loan. And they call us thick!
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Board Member | 2155 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Apr 2003 | 22 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Oct 2024 | Oct 2024 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"Fair points although it is possible that he thought that upset fans getting on the clubs back to defend itself may have dragged out a comment which was his ultimate aim.
Whatever is true it is possible that the statement today is be just him ratcheting up the pressure for the council and club to say something.
I guess my point is that I doubt this is going to be his last dice throw and the club/council may eventually be forced into a statement if their position becomes untenable.'"
i'm not sure how Hull Fc's position can become untenable? |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Star | 458 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Jul 2012 | 13 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Aug 2015 | Aug 2015 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"I suggest you read it again and this time read what I actually wrote and not what you thought I wrote.'"
My apologies after reading nearly 100 pages over the last few days I have just come in and read your first post jumped in feet first - my anger at all this was taken out on you  |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Board Member | 2155 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Apr 2003 | 22 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Oct 2024 | Oct 2024 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
My response on the not 606 thread
'Unlike some of the Hull City supporting ill educated clowns that are posting on this thread. The great saviour that is Allam has borrowed 50 million quid which is a millstone around your clubs neck and you need to get promoted to premiership to help remove it. Allam only wants one thing, the KC stadium and the surrounding land, and will stoop to whatever level to get it. If the Hull City Council came out with a statement tomorrow telling him they will never ever sell it to him, watch the reaction from Allam, and watch out for your club'
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 1421 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Dec 2007 | 17 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Nov 2014 | Nov 2014 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
Apologies if this has been brought up, but there's too many posts here to read them all...
Where's Adam Pearson while all this is happening?
Some sort of comment / statement from him might have calmed things down before it escalated. He doesn't seem to want to communicate with the media either, at least the Allams have come forward with their side of events.
If I was a Hull fan I'd have expected to hear something from him after Fridays postponement & I'd certainly have liked him to hear him express his commitment to the club after the Leeds Utd story last week.
So where is he? Who's running your ship?
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 11 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Apr 2007 | 18 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Feb 2015 | Feb 2013 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
Quote ="frepneyboy"I do recall Bartlett obtaining a mortgage against Citys user agreement with Barclays for c£3.5 mill'"
I wonder if this is the same monies (noted as being written off) as mentioned in this link. See the section headed HCAFC Accounts, para. 3. This article also includes a brief description of the business relationship between Allamhouse Limited and Hull City AFC (Tigers) Limited, as it stood at that time. This is a good illustration of how money/assets can be moved between companies within a group, which is a bit like taking money from one pocket and putting it in another.
www.ambernectar.org/blog/2012/01 ... ervations/
Although the sum there is £2.8M owed to Russell Bartlett, there could be interest added to this. The interesting part is "... change of ownership". Compare this with Ehab Allam's statement - part 2(d) which mentions a "...£3.5M mortgage commitment ... purchase of the business in 2010". |
|
Quote ="frepneyboy"I do recall Bartlett obtaining a mortgage against Citys user agreement with Barclays for c£3.5 mill'"
I wonder if this is the same monies (noted as being written off) as mentioned in this link. See the section headed HCAFC Accounts, para. 3. This article also includes a brief description of the business relationship between Allamhouse Limited and Hull City AFC (Tigers) Limited, as it stood at that time. This is a good illustration of how money/assets can be moved between companies within a group, which is a bit like taking money from one pocket and putting it in another.
www.ambernectar.org/blog/2012/01 ... ervations/
Although the sum there is £2.8M owed to Russell Bartlett, there could be interest added to this. The interesting part is "... change of ownership". Compare this with Ehab Allam's statement - part 2(d) which mentions a "...£3.5M mortgage commitment ... purchase of the business in 2010". | |
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Board Member | 3524 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Nov 2002 | 22 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Aug 2023 | Apr 2022 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
If City don`t go up this year they will be in financial meltdown.
Allam is banking on it big time.
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Board Member | 2155 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Apr 2003 | 22 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Oct 2024 | Oct 2024 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
According to the not606 thread, Hull City are fine as the 50 million is a debt against The Allams and Hull City are not liable.
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Chairman | 37704 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| May 2002 | 23 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Aug 2018 | Aug 2018 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Wildmoose"Apologies if this has been brought up, but there's too many posts here to read them all...
Where's Adam Pearson while all this is happening?
Some sort of comment / statement from him might have calmed things down before it escalated. He doesn't seem to want to communicate with the media either, at least the Allams have come forward with their side of events.
If I was a Hull fan I'd have expected to hear something from him after Fridays postponement & I'd certainly have liked him to hear him express his commitment to the club after the Leeds Utd story last week.
So where is he? Who's running your ship?'"
If you can't be a[ir[/ised reading, I certainly can't be a[ir[/ised informing you |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Chairman | 37704 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| May 2002 | 23 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Aug 2018 | Aug 2018 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
