The players play the game, Radford is clearly a competent coach (or have we forgotten the CC win), too many players not fronting up.

Our biggest problem and it's been an issue all season is our discipline, to give away penalties repeated with ball in hand is criminal, we where getting in control of the game, 8 points down, ball in hand, Leeds down to 12 and 20 mins left and we give away a penalty.

Defence and handling has been appalling last two games.

Not much can be changed within this squad, massive and must win game, lose that and I'd be really worried about this season.

Salford and Leeds are both top 3 sides this year, which is arguably the more relevant fact. 18 tries is awful regardless, granted.

Only relevant in the fact that they've gone forwards whilst we've gone backwards. I don;t accept that either of them are that good. How many other 50 point hammerings have either dished out on their travels this season?

You're painting them as amongst the worst teams by referencing last season's positiosn. The fact is they are 2nd and 3rd best so far this.

The fact is you were telling me we had the best defence in the league a fortnight ago so I'll take your facts with a pinch of salt

But neither side look all that though, you must agree. I cannot accept 2 50 point home defeats back to back against such opposition. Salford have clearly improved a massive amount, but Leeds IMO are not all that at all.

Agreed. They looked flakey as hell when we came back to 24-32 then we decided to throw any opportunity we had away

They're not I completely agree. But equally they are not relegation fodder as suggested by referencing last year's position.

I don't think up until a year ago you ever conceded 50 pts at the KC ,and to do it two times in 7 days is remarkable, do you think Kelly is unhappy and collaborating with the opposition and telling them your team strategy ?

But that was a fact. No salt required. And that was against teams mostly in last year's top 8 of course.

think Radford wasn't far of when he said win 2 games here and where world beaters lose 2 and where doomed,

Dont think its the loss of two games thats the worry,its the manner in which we have lost them.
We have gone from having the best defence in the league to conceding over 100 points in two home games.
Embarrasing and unprofessional.
As bad as Child was there is no excuse what so ever for our lack of discipline,ball retention and try line defence.

It wasn't a fact at all. That we'd conceded fewest points around 1/4 way through the season doesn't mean we have the comp's best defence, same as leeds being in 3rd place after 1/3 of the season doesn't make them the 3rd best team in the comp. Not a difficult concept I wouldn't have thought

Said last week defence was going west last couple of weeks and got shot down by someone. Lack of focus by some in my view. Lots of switching off going on.

I have been to the last two games and like everyone am bitterly disappointed. In attack and defence we look a shambles and have to ask why have the wheels fallen off. Two words "Danny Houghton". The current Man of Steel does the work in attack and defence of at least two men and we are not the same team without him. We should not have to depend on one player but I am afraid we do. The real question is why on earth do we not have a back up hooker. Much as I like Washbrook he is not a hooker. Look at all the other top teams and they have strong back up. I suspect when Houghton returns and we play to our potential again fans will wonder why !! Come back soon Danny your club need you

We've made the same mistakes for weeks. Months even. All the way back to July last year.
Semi was our last full all round performance. Final was gritty but it wasn't great. If currie scores that try like he does the other 99 times outta a 100 radford wouldn't have the job security he has now. Cos minus wembley from the semi to today there's a few scrappy wins. Boring attack relying on kicks. Loads of poor losses and the last 2 weeks.
The fact we're so long between good performances is a worry. The continual same errors and discipline is a worry. Some utter rubbish individual stuffs too. Think some big time Charlie attitude about as well. Fonua today Pissed me off all game. Whinged n moaned all game. Get on with your job and cut out the errors (SLs top error maker)
Michaels should be dead set dropped for halls try. Criminal. Under 14s stuff
Houghton be fuming he signed new deal. If he'd waited he could of got 50k a year more
Sneyd needs to buck up..We don't have the ball ages. Defended our nuts off for ten mins n multiple sets. Get ball back he kicks it away tackle three. I mean this is our brains
Old man Ellis has to come off the bench To get us pumped and back in it. Is that a great reflection of him or a poor one of the team.
We're not doomed but leigh at leigh is looking tough. Cas after. Then wire. Could get a whole lot worse yet. Gotta find some kinda form we've not had for ages out of nowhere..

Show me the Defence and I'll show you the team
Show me the coach and I'll show you the team

Who are the strong back up hookers at other teams?

*Alarming*

Great game today and all you want to do is trawl back to find an old thread?? sad biatch!

Powell, Burrows, Dwyer, Milner at the top sides

Old thread? Less than a fortnight ago you purposely rang the alarm bell, now you take exception to going back to that discussion? Goodness me, how precious. I had already commented on the match thread of course. Calm down and savour Radford's victory please.

All class there bud.

If you wanted a serious discussion youd have put more than simply 'alarming' in your post.

I criticised the team in a constructive manner on Good Friday after two heavy, poor quality defeats in a row. They have now worked hard to put things right, why couldent you have just enjoyed todays victory instead of trying to start an argument?