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| Quote ="Chris71"For me the jury is still out on PG. However I would think he has been an instrumental figure in reorganising the club in terms of junior set up, training facilities etc with SM & AP.
We were always going to playing catch up and will do for a few years yet until we have an academy that is churning out the first team players like Leeds, Wigan, Saints. Plus it appears that the same structures are now in place throughout the club set up so players can move up much easier and slot in.
Will getting rid of PG put us in a better position? Not sure it will to be honest.
Looking at the season as whole so far we started poorly, lost Ellis & Holdsworth the 2 marquee signings for a considerable length of time. Then lost Horne who had rolled back the years, brought in a very inexperienced HB in Miller who has shown he will be a good addition and was thrown in due to necessity. The loss of Manu & Moa and the lack of equivalent replacements for them has also been evident this season.
What will be a vital issue is who we bring in this close season as unless the players are genuine quality in the forwards we will really be found wanting next season.
The player recruitment this off season is more important than ever with us losing O'Meley, Briscoe, Galea and possibly Lynchy, as we still need to adequately replace Manu & Moa.'"
Agreed - good post.
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| Quote ="weaver93"My opinion is, he isnt.
He is the best available,at this time.
Some of Smith's pupils are, Daniel Anderson,Tony Smith,Trent Robinson,Nathan Brown,Jason Taylor,Justin Morgan and Mick Potter.
Why go for the pupil, when you can have the teacher.
In my opinion,IF Gentle goes, we need someone who is proven & experienced, at building a solid structure & foundations for years to come, coupled with drilling basic core skills into existing players - this is not the time for another unproven Head Coach.'"
I think its significant that he hasn't got another NRL berth after being sacked by the Roosters.
I would also suggest that some of the pupils have gone on to be better and more successful coaches than their teacher.
Also question marks over his age. At 59 would he willing to come back to the UK for a third time and how long would he be willing to stay?
I do however agree with you that if Gentle goes we do need a proven Head Coach.
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| Quote ="Chris71"For me the jury is still out on PG. However I would think he has been an instrumental figure in reorganising the club in terms of junior set up, training facilities etc with SM & AP.
We were always going to playing catch up and will do for a few years yet until we have an academy that is churning out the first team players like Leeds, Wigan, Saints. Plus it appears that the same structures are now in place throughout the club set up so players can move up much easier and slot in.
Will getting rid of PG put us in a better position? Not sure it will to be honest.
Looking at the season as whole so far we started poorly, lost Ellis & Holdsworth the 2 marquee signings for a considerable length of time. Then lost Horne who had rolled back the years, brought in a very inexperienced HB in Miller who has shown he will be a good addition and was thrown in due to necessity. The loss of Manu & Moa and the lack of equivalent replacements for them has also been evident this season.
What will be a vital issue is who we bring in this close season as unless the players are genuine quality in the forwards we will really be found wanting next season.
The player recruitment this off season is more important than ever with us losing O'Meley, Briscoe, Galea and possibly Lynchy, as we still need to adequately replace Manu & Moa.'"
This pretty much sums up my thinking and why I believe Gentle should get another year.
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| Quote ="Diogenes"I think its significant that he hasn't got another NRL berth after being sacked by the Roosters.
I would also suggest that some of the pupils have gone on to be better and more successful coaches than their teacher.
Also question marks over his age. At 59 would he willing to come back to the UK for a third time and how long would he be willing to stay?
I do however agree with you that if Gentle goes we do need a proven Head Coach.'"
I believe he had enough of the NRL, if he came to us, I'd insist he appointed an assistant coach to inherit the structures instilled ,and to continue in the same fashion.
IMO, A lot of players in the squad, need serious one-one coaching in decision making, decoy runners, passing technique. etc.
I watched Salford at the KC a few weeks,ago, their passing,off-the ball movement, was superior to us.(same as KR)
Noble has only been there 3/4 months, I know they lost, but at least you can see improvement. in attack.
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| Quote ="Chris71"For me the jury is still out on PG. However I would think he has been an instrumental figure in reorganising the club in terms of junior set up, training facilities etc with SM & AP.
We were always going to playing catch up and will do for a few years yet until we have an academy that is churning out the first team players like Leeds, Wigan, Saints. Plus it appears that the same structures are now in place throughout the club set up so players can move up much easier and slot in.
Will getting rid of PG put us in a better position? Not sure it will to be honest.
Looking at the season as whole so far we started poorly, lost Ellis & Holdsworth the 2 marquee signings for a considerable length of time. Then lost Horne who had rolled back the years, brought in a very inexperienced HB in Miller who has shown he will be a good addition and was thrown in due to necessity. The loss of Manu & Moa and the lack of equivalent replacements for them has also been evident this season.
What will be a vital issue is who we bring in this close season as unless the players are genuine quality in the forwards we will really be found wanting next season.
The player recruitment this off season is more important than ever with us losing O'Meley, Briscoe, Galea and possibly Lynchy, as we still need to adequately replace Manu & Moa.'"
Very good post. PG will be here next season whatever happens in the playoffs, next season will determine his fate longer term.
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| Quote ="Chris71"For me the jury is still out on PG. However I would think he has been an instrumental figure in reorganising the club in terms of junior set up, training facilities etc with SM & AP.
We were always going to playing catch up and will do for a few years yet until we have an academy that is churning out the first team players like Leeds, Wigan, Saints. Plus it appears that the same structures are now in place throughout the club set up so players can move up much easier and slot in.
Will getting rid of PG put us in a better position? Not sure it will to be honest.
Looking at the season as whole so far we started poorly, lost Ellis & Holdsworth the 2 marquee signings for a considerable length of time. Then lost Horne who had rolled back the years, brought in a very inexperienced HB in Miller who has shown he will be a good addition and was thrown in due to necessity. The loss of Manu & Moa and the lack of equivalent replacements for them has also been evident this season.
What will be a vital issue is who we bring in this close season as unless the players are genuine quality in the forwards we will really be found wanting next season.
The player recruitment this off season is more important than ever with us losing O'Meley, Briscoe, Galea and possibly Lynchy, as we still need to adequately replace Manu & Moa.'"
Good post. I'm on the fence re gentle. He's had some misfortune with injuries but seemingly we still have the same fundamental flaws we have had for years. Has to have a really good start to next season for me or he'll be gone
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| Just keep rememdering the first half against Leeds at home.
We were SOOO slick & incisive, dummy runners, pinpoint passing & a brutal defence. I really thought we had turned the corner - can't believe the disintegration of the progress that was so evident that night.
Keep wondering about potential unrest in the squad ?
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| Quote ="al283"Just keep rememdering the first half against Leeds at home.
We were SOOO slick & incisive, dummy runners, pinpoint passing & a brutal defence. I really thought we had turned the corner - can't believe the disintegration of the progress that was so evident that night.
Keep wondering about potential unrest in the squad ?
Still no update on Tom Briscoe ?'"
Briscoe's gone. likely leeds but also rumours re wigan and rovers
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| I'd stick with PG for next season. We need some stability and there have been enough signs this season, that we can compete. No reason to get rid of Gentle. Last season we came 6th and 5th/6th/7th/8th plus Wembley would have been deemed progress by most at the stat of the season. I would however expect Top 5 plus a Cup Run, to be delivered
In the event he did move on, I'd have Bri Smith back to tomorrow. It would be unfinished business. He was a great motivator turning avearge club players like Andy Dannatt and Paul Eastwood into GB Internationals within a season.
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| Quote ="al283"Just keep rememdering the first half against Leeds at home.
We were SOOO slick & incisive, dummy runners, pinpoint passing & a brutal defence. I really thought we had turned the corner - can't believe the disintegration of the progress that was so evident that night.
Keep wondering about potential unrest in the squad ?
Still no update on Tom Briscoe ?'"
I don't think there is unrest in the squad, the team seem to be playing for each other and putting the effort in.
its the complete lack of an attacking game and basic errors (not just at Wembley all season) that are my biggest concerns.
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| Quote ="Rugby Raider"I'd stick with PG for next season. We need some stability and there have been enough signs this season, that we can compete. No reason to get rid of Gentle. Last season we came 6th and 5th/6th/7th/8th plus Wembley would have been deemed progress by most at the stat of the season. I would however expect Top 5 plus a Cup Run, to be delivered
In the event he did move on, I'd have Bri Smith back to tomorrow. It would be unfinished business. He was a great motivator turning avearge club players like Andy Dannatt and Paul Eastwood into GB Internationals within a season.'"
I would see a poor cup final defeat plus an 8th place finish as a very disappointing season.
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| Ive been saying this for six months now and been berated by many. Suddenly it seems the pennys finally dropping
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| Seb your default position is to moan and look on the downside! You wouldn't want success, if you ever had it it would be the wrong success.
You go missing when things are looking good and as soon as it takes a down turn your straight back "I told you we were !".
Everybody who has only met you on here can't believe you're a Hull fan.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"Seb your default position is to moan and look on the downside! You wouldn't want success, if you ever had it it would be the wrong success.
You go missing when things are looking good and as soon as it takes a down turn your straight back "I told you we were poop!".
Everybody who has only met you on here can't believe[u you're a Hull fan[/u.'"
[size=200[iIS HE??? REALLY, IS HE??[/i[/size
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| Quote ="Hessle Roader"[size=200[iIS HE??? REALLY, IS HE??[/i[/size'"
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| total p.at thats what he is
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| Im simply the opposite of the total love in/everything is rosey at Hull FC brigade and people cant handle it. Im not the only one either but if it makes you all feel better then carry on abusing me, I couldn't care less
Anyway been talking to a few people today about Hull FC and was told by someone with connections to the club that they think the simple reason why were so poor a lot of the time is no one respects Gentle. They all think hes a pussy who can be walked all over. I was told about shananigans the players get up to that would not sit very well with most of the fans and the only person they respect or listen to is Radford
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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"Im simply the opposite of the total love in/everything is rosey at Hull FC brigade and people cant handle it. Im not the only one either but if it makes you all feel better then carry on abusing me, I couldn't care less
Anyway been talking to a few people today about Hull FC and was told by someone with connections to the club that they think the simple reason why were so poor a lot of the time is no one respects Gentle. They all think hes a pussy who can be walked all over. I was told about shananigans the players get up to that would not sit very well with most of the fans and the only person they respect or listen to is Radford'"
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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"Im simply the opposite of the total love in/everything is rosey at Hull FC brigade and people cant handle it. Im not the only one either but if it makes you all feel better then carry on abusing me, I couldn't care less
Anyway been talking to a few people today about Hull FC and was told by someone with connections to the club that they think the simple reason why were so poor a lot of the time is no one respects Gentle. They all think hes a pussy who can be walked all over. I was told about shananigans the players get up to that would not sit very well with most of the fans and the only person they respect or listen to is Radford'"
I agree there. Your the total opposite..
But a proper fan sticks with his team win or lose.. You never mention anything when we win yet when we lose you suddenly reappear.
Yes some of your points i agree with, but end of the day. I'm black an white through an through an the team will always have my backing.
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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"Im simply the opposite of the total love in/everything is rosey at Hull FC brigade and people cant handle it. Im not the only one either but if it makes you all feel better then carry on abusing me, I couldn't care less
Anyway been talking to a few people today about Hull FC and was told by someone with connections to the club that they think the simple reason why were so poor a lot of the time is no one respects Gentle. They all think hes a pussy who can be walked all over. I was told about shananigans the players get up to that would not sit very well with most of the fans and the only person they respect or listen to is Radford'"
Seb when I met you and you were slagging the club off we'd won the challenge the previous year and just lost at old Trafford.
You simply don't want success, you like to moan.
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| I have done a slight name change for you:
Quote ="Sadbasteeno"Im simply the opposite of the total love in/everything is rosey at Hull FC brigade and people cant handle it. Im not the only one either but if it makes you all feel better then carry on abusing me, I couldn't care less'" Along with all the other robins
Quote Anyway been talking to a few people today about Hull FC and was told by someone with connections to the club that they think the simple reason why were so poor a lot of the time is no one respects Gentle. They all think hes a pussy who can be walked all over. I was told about shananigans the players get up to that would not sit very well with most of the fans and the only person they respect or listen to is Radford'"
A few people? And they all think the same thing?
They don’t by any chance call themselves legion do they?
Do you honestly believe that Adam Pearson, would allow such a situation to develop by the players?
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| It is easy if we want, to focus on the pot half empty if we’re so inclined, and there are many who remind us ;
-Our attendances have fallen back from where they were circa 05 06.
-The gap between our best and worst performance is far too wide
- Our attacking structure is still a work in progress,
- Overall, team performance is pretty much as it was last season.
All the above is true and cannot be argued against, but surely then we are missing the bigger picture of where this club is heading. We pay lip-service to real fundamental change that is still happening, and will continue until we achieve AP’s goal for the team on the pitch in terms of success and trophies.
I have no doubt the above ‘problems’ will be sorted no matter who the coach is.
I believe without question the club is going in the right direction. Right now that's with PG, and will be for the near term future ie next season in my opinion, but Adam will be measuring progress in all areas and the team on the pitch is one where he’ll be looking for visible progress, and that’s all good for us fans really as we can be confident the team will progress on the pitch with or without PG. Personally I hope its with him, but for him to keep his job he has to create an attacking threat in the same way he has organised the defensive structure whilst he’s been here.
For me, overall, things are much better in all other areas;
-Investment in Youth and Training facilities.
-Investment in Marketing.
-Promise of continued Team investment.
-Improved more open relationship with fans.
-Fan optimism versus KH years.
-Youth been given its chance with the First team.
-Selling the club v positively to attract top marquee signing.
-(A signal to alert all top players of our intent)
-A Wembley final ahead of schedule (IMO)
-A defence structure to match the best in Super League.
Our best on the pitch is a match for the best in SL as we have proven this year even with todays deficiencies. Of course our consistency is not.
However we will keep improving our weaker areas on the pitch and next season I think we will see a marked improvement on the pitch. The season after that I believe we will be contenders for every trophy for seasons to come, and we will be sitting at the top table for as long as AP is running this club.
Keep the faith, we are getting there, but everything can’t be fixed at once, nor does it have to be.
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