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| Quote ="WormInHand"I think it does, doesn't it? He's a Union, Golf and beer man, and good for him. I also think he's a very good CEO, but I believe he has very little, if any, input to the playing side of things, which was why I was querying Jake's opinion that our on-field demise has been caused by Rule becoming CEO.'"
I never said he caused it, however it's no coincidence that he's a marketeer and not a RL man and his "reign" has seen our marketing/PR improve significantly and our on field activities go down the pan.
I fail to see how the CEO of the business doesn't have ultimate responsibility for the playing side of the club
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"I never said he caused it, however it's no coincidence that he's a marketeer and not a RL man and his "reign" has seen our marketing/PR improve significantly and our on field activities go down the pan.
[uI fail to see how the CEO of the business doesn't have ultimate responsibility for the playing side of the club[/u'"
I reckon Kath had more input on that side of things.Rule was more or less just a front for kath.
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| Quote ="jimmyfivebellies"I reckon Kath had more input on that side of things.Rule was more or less just a front for kath.'"
So lots of people claim yet no one has ever produced any evidence
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"So lots of people claim yet no one has ever produced any evidence'"
What would be appropriate "evidence", in your opinion?
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"What would be appropriate "evidence", in your opinion?'"
Dunno, I'm open to seeing anything that proves this urban myth
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| So you honestly think Rule was brought in not just for his financial acumen, /marketing prowess & organisational skills but also his extensive knowledge/understanding of RL that would change things on the pitch?
That despite these wide ranging RL credentials he has failed miserably and we've been playing poop for god knows how long and it's all down to him and Agar?
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"So you honestly think Rule was brought in not just for his financial acumen, /marketing prowess & organisational skills but also his extensive knowledge/understanding of RL that would change things on the pitch?
That despite these wide ranging RL credentials he has failed miserably and we've been playing poop for god knows how long and it's all down to him and Agar?
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I suppose you blame kath then? Was it her fault when we won the CC and got to a GF having finished 2nd?
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Quote ="Jake the Peg"So lots of people claim yet no one has ever produced any evidence'"
What would be appropriate "evidence", in your opinion?'"
I guess some form of evidence would be the improvement in on field activities, so far we have seen 2 games since the departure of Kath and yet we've seen little change if any to what we've seen for the last 3 years or so. Can't fault the effort and commitment of the players but still not an 80min team, still have brain explosions, take wrong options, strange interchanges, very little 2nd Phase etc. If Kath really was the one pulling the strings on team affairs as much as the rumour goes then surely we would have seen a significant change in the team but sadly we haven't, still very much the same old same old.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"So lots of people claim yet no one has ever produced any evidence'"
You are always asking for other posters to produce evidence of points they make but you never produce any to support your own position Jake.
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| Agar must be a right fairy if he's the coach and is taking direction on the tactics and playing staff from the CEO. We need a coach with balls to say and do what he feels is in the best interest of the TEAM!
Get shut and get shut now!
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| Quote ="Nobeerineasthull"You are always asking for other posters to produce evidence of points they make but you never produce any to support your own position Jake.'"
I suppose you've got evidence to back this up?
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| Quote ="Nobeerineasthull"icon_lol.gif
How do you prove a negative?'"
Develop it??? Ok I'll get my coat
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| Quote ="Chris71"I guess some form of evidence would be the improvement in on field activities, so far we have seen 2 games since the departure of Kath and yet we've seen little change if any to what we've seen for the last 3 years or so. Can't fault the effort and commitment of the players but still not an 80min team, still have brain explosions, take wrong options, strange interchanges, very little 2nd Phase etc. If Kath really was the one pulling the strings on team affairs as much as the rumour goes then surely we would have seen a significant change in the team but sadly we haven't, still very much the same old same old.'"
Presumably things on the playing side have got worse since kath left. According to some on here, neither rule or agar have anything to do with overall management of the playing side and I'm sure neither tony sutton or john flatman do and pearson will be busy with city
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| Quote ="Nobeerineasthull"You are always asking for other posters to produce evidence of points they make but you never produce any to support your own position Jake.'"
The evidence has been clear to see for the last 3 1/2 years if you want to open your eyes a little
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"The evidence has been clear to see for the last 3 1/2 years if you want to open your eyes a little'"
Its not a question of opening your eyes.
Its about seeing what is in front of you rather than what you want to see.
Its about not drawing conclusions which are unsupported by evidence.
I don't claim to be right, but I haven't seen any evidence that you are either.
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| Quote ="Nobeerineasthull"Its not a question of opening your eyes.
Its about seeing what is in front of you rather than what you want to see.
Its about not drawing conclusions which are unsupported by evidence.
I don't claim to be right, but I haven't seen any evidence that you are either.'"
The evidence is that in pretty much every business on the planet that the CEO is responsible and reportable for every aspect of the business. If you, or anyone else, has evidence that it's not the case at Hull then please feel free to share it with us, otherwise we'll have to assume that rule has had responsibility for the playing side of the club
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"The evidence is that in pretty much every business on the planet that the CEO is responsible and reportable for every aspect of the business. If you, or anyone else, has evidence that it's not the case at Hull then please feel free to share it with us, otherwise we'll have to assume that rule has had responsibility for the playing side of the club'"
Correct in the sense that the CEO reports to the BOD and implements their decisions and carries out their instructions.
In many businesses the CEO/MD makes the big decisions. That was not the case at Hull FC during the previous regime.
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| Quote ="Nobeerineasthull"Correct in the sense that the CEO reports to the BOD and implements their decisions and carries out their instructions.
In many businesses the CEO/MD makes the big decisions. That was not the case at Hull FC during the previous regime.'"
Thanks for clearing that up. Maybe you can just let me have some evidence that was the case so I can just be certain.
Also, are you saying that our CEO isn't/wasn't on the BOD? Or maybe you're just mixing up the board with the shareholders
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Thanks for clearing that up. Maybe you can just let me have some evidence that was the case so I can just be certain.
Also, are you saying that our CEO isn't/wasn't on the BOD? Or maybe you're just mixing up the board with the shareholders'"
I can't give you any evidence; its my honest belief and in the absence of any evidence to the contrary its just as valid as your equally honest belief.
Although Rule did join the board (last year?) at the end of the day he was still an employee and not an owner like the other directors.
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| Quote ="Nobeerineasthull"I can't give you any evidence; its my honest belief and in the absence of any evidence to the contrary its just as valid as your equally honest belief.
Although Rule did join the board (last year?) at the end of the day he was still an employee and not an owner like the other directors.'"
We'll have to agree to differ although I find it hard to believe the guy responsible for the day to day running of the club has no responsibility for or say in what happens in the most important aspect of the club. rule has been on the BOD for years. He was marketing director before he became CEO I believe
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"The evidence is that in pretty much every business on the planet that the CEO is responsible and reportable for every aspect of the business. If you, or anyone else, has evidence that it's not the case at Hull then please feel free to share it with us, otherwise we'll have to assume that rule has had responsibility for the playing side of the club'"
Just wrong,
the CEO is responsible in the sense that if something goes wrong its his fault,
But a good CEO is a strategist, who trusts his staff to deliver on that strategy,
Its only 'his fault' with respect to the buck stopping with him, its not his actions that have led to the demise of our club, far from it,
Do you expect him to pop on a jersey and get on the field?
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| Quote ="OmneFC"Just wrong,
the CEO is responsible in the sense that if something goes wrong its his fault,
But a good CEO is a strategist, who trusts his staff to deliver on that strategy,
Its only 'his fault' with respect to the buck stopping with him, its not his actions that have led to the demise of our club, far from it,
Do you expect him to pop on a jersey and get on the field?'"
It's the CEO's 'fault' if his judgement is so bad that he puts his trust in halfwits like Rich Agar to deliver on his strategy.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"We'll have to agree to differ although I find it hard to believe the guy responsible for the day to day running of the club has no responsibility for or say in what happens in the most important aspect of the club. rule has been on the BOD for years. He was marketing director before he became CEO I believe'"
OK we'll agree to differ.
Believe it or not I do actually respect your views.
I'm fairly sure Rule only became a Director recently. He was Marketing Director before becoming CEO, but was not actually a Director.
Maybe someone who's interested enough can check with Companies House and find out.
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| Quote ="OmneFC"Just wrong,
the CEO is responsible in the sense that if something goes wrong its his fault,
But a good CEO is a strategist, who trusts his staff to deliver on that strategy,
Its only 'his fault' with respect to the buck stopping with him, its not his actions that have led to the demise of our club, far from it,
Do you expect him to pop on a jersey and get on the field?'"
Just wrong
The CEO has responsibility and therefore needs to ensure that things are happening. His lack of action has led us to where we are
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