Tbh i wouldn't go to far as to blame the half backs.

End of the day, the whole team played badly. To many dropped balls and we just couldn't seem to get a set together never mind a set play.

Holdsworth is a decent player, as is Miller.

But today it just wasn't our day. Well done to Wigan.

Too many errors cost us

They where your two worst players unfortunately.

Which one?? Our right hand side was horrendous today!!

Holdsworth had a nightmare and has definitely had more bad games than good, non existent today!! Talking all week about how much he's dreamt of this final and might aswell have not turned up (if he actually did)

I think Rangi Chase was the sort of player we needed. Shame it didn't happen.
Need a real game breaker.

Miller's wonderfully floated pass to the touch judge was a joy to behold. If Yeamen had been on Richards shoulder it would have still gone over his head.

In as unsmug a way as I can possibly manage today, has Miller shown much in any game yet?
I've only seen him against Cas, Wakefield (I think), Bradford, Wire and today but have yet to see him produce anything like a top half back.
Has he taken a game and stamped his authority on it yet?

Think tickle and crooks were the worst,but the 2 halfs yeaman,watts,houghton were poor as was westerman.

Thought the touch judge was poor,should have anticipated the pass and should have been running on to it,if he had he would have been hulls only try scorer.

Basically now you've mentioned nearly all our players.. WE AGREE WITH YOU.. We no the players played poor now

Westerman is consistant..... At knocking on

Knee jerk.

Dobbo should change his username to that.

doesnt take long for some to get into kneejerk mode

It's not knee jerk,both halfs were garbage,especially Miller,followed by Tickle and Westerman.

P.S I said at the beginning of the week that if Horne was fit he should of been in the 17,it's no coincidence that since he got injured we have crap in the majority of our games.

Ignoring the trolls, our halfs haven't been good enough for much of the season. Horne was the pick of them (That Richard Horne who most have said wasn't good enough for the last 6 or so years). Holdsworth has been inconsistent at best (Although injuries have disrupted his season, he still has a tendancy to go missing in games IMO) and Miller is just a young kid who is talented but a long way from being a starting half for a team aspiring to challenge for honours.

Not convinced miller and holdsworth as a combination will be good enough next season

I've always thought Westerman to be overrated. Showed great potential as a youngster but seems too arrogant and unwilling to soothe hard stuff. Compare him to O'Loughlin and he's a long way off being a true star. Tickle's head went after the missed tackle for their try, and like so many was trying too hard. Shame cos he's been a good player for you.

Thought your full back was the best player on the pitch. He handled everything thrown at him and the only thing that went against him was when Charnley knocked the ball out. But to be fair, the kid looked knackered after all the work he'd done.

Shame the weather affected it so much, it could have been a good game. The fact Matty Smith got the Lance Todd shows how poor a game it was.

As a Leeds fan I can sympathise with your long journey back. And for the record, most of us were cheering you boys on

i thought the full team was poor in attack,the forwards never laid the platform for the halfbacks to do anything,allthough they did play poor you cant blame anyone person we didnt value possesion and got beat by a team that wasnt any better than us

The big difference between the two teams was the kicking game. Smith and Green kicked into space and along the floor. Holdsworth and Miller kicked direct to Wigan players and in the air making it easier for them to make yards.

You don't think our completion rate had a greater bearing on the result?

Yes that had a bearing but if you look at where you were starting your sets compared to Wigan this put more pressure on you and that contributed to the error rate..

We dropped plenty of ball in their half too. The kicking game was crap, but to say it was the 'big difference' between the teams misses the point by a distance. It's far more likely that a team will win a game with poor kicking but a high completion rate than the other way around.

Pretty much agree with this. Miller needs a full pre season before I'll judge him as he simply hasn't had any preparation to play at this level. Holdsworth got us to Wembley with a MOM performance against Wire in both attack/kicking and defence but he had a nightmare yesterday. Overall it isn't relevant to pick the halves out for specific criticism yesterday - there were 14 or 15 players that contributed to our poor play with the ball.

Wigan's completion rate was also way down on what it normally would be so that doesn't stack up. Smith won the Lance Todd because of his kicking game.

Of course it was down on what it would normally be - it plssed down for the full 80 minutes. They still controlled the ball much better than we did, which is ultimately how they won the game. Or rather, how we conspired to throw it away.